Tough spot for overcards (AJo, button)

[Entity]

This situation comes up a lot. No real reads...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero...

[davelin]

I voted for raise to shut out the first two players and get a free card if unimproved on the turn. If 3-bet, I call and fold the turn unimproved.

[zuluking]

A raise here is almost automatic unless I'm playing a very good player.

[btspider]

i said raise. this board is scarier than most and is approaching the rare fold for one bet with overcards threshold.. although i honestly can't remember the last time i did.. but it happens.. more often with KJo though. backdoor draws are always nice to have on the more coordinated flops.

[zuluking]

Nice pic. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[btspider]

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Nice pic. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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thanks.. Irish weekend at the Jersey shore.

[MarkL444]

This is crazy. I hope youre only trying to prove a point. Folding is obvious here. That board is so draw heavy and you dont have crap. Even if they are semi bluffing with a draw (leaving you ahead), you arent in good shape. Im really not looking to see the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], so theres only 6 cards that help my hand. I dont get why people are saying raise. Putting in two small bets here makes me sick.

[Entity]

This is one of those boards that I'm not really terribly happy with. No backdoor draws and it's somewhat coordinated.

I've previously been in the raise camp, but if I get 3-bet, I don't even know if I've got odds to call the turn here. I don't know what outs are good, if any, or if I'm drawing dead. I'm also not closing the action...is raising setting myself up to make an expensive second-best hand?

Rob

[Entity]

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This is crazy. I hope youre only trying to prove a point. Folding is obvious here. That board is so draw heavy and you dont have crap. Even if they are semi bluffing with a draw (leaving you ahead), you arent in good shape. Im really not looking to see the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], so theres only 6 cards that help my hand. I dont get why people are saying raise. Putting in two small bets here makes me sick.

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If you don't like the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], you've got 4 cards you want to see, not 6. Just a small quibbling point. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Rob

[btspider]

honestly its probably pretty close between folding, calling, and raising. the only reason to raise this is because of your relative and absolute position.

if there was a caller or two in between, you should probably just call and fold the turn unimproved. you can't isolate when others have called and a raise solely for a free card is pushing an edge you just don't have. enough turn cards are scary that you'll fold to a single turn bet UI.

if you did not have the button, i might fold. with the button and these players, free cards work quite often. a read helps make this decision easier.