No call on Flop cost me $1700 pot(30-60). Please advice.

[Jacob]

Very loose and aggressive 30-60 game. I missed my blind so had to post in CO position. I get 8s5s. UTG raises 3 people call. I also call. 5 people see the flop. $345 in the pot

Flop - 7d4d3h. All check to MP. He bets. 2 more call. I think about it and fold. There is $435 in the pot and the only card I feel safe with is non diamond 6 giving me nuts. Moreover I am afraid UTG(pre flop raiser) is checking a very good hand(probably a set) and action is not going to stop at one bet. I have been playing with all 3 MPs for over 6 months and am sure this flop had to hit atleast one of them. Even though the pot odds and making my hands are very similar at 15:1. Anyone agrees with my line of thinking.

UTG raises and all the other three call. $585 in the pot

Turn - 6h. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The board is 7d4d3h6h. I would have had the nuts. UTG bets. MP1 raises. MP2 calls. MP3 reraises. UTG calls. MP1 caps its and everyone calls. $1545 in the pot.

River is Kh. Board is 7d4d3h6hKh. MP3 bets. UTG calls and MP1 calls. Total pot $1725. MP3 has 52off, UTG has 44. MP1 has A5off and MP2 says he folded Ace high diamond flush draw.

I kept thinking about it all night(still thinking 2 weeks after it happened) and the only positive was that I didnt go on tilt at all.

Any advice on flop play very appreciated.

[MarkD]

You would have won a $1700 pot so obviously you should have called.

[DrGutshot]

definite fold, many redraws possibile, could be reraised behind you, barely getting odds.

[elindauer]

Awful fold on the flop. A very basic pot / implied odds mistake.

Good luck.
Eric

[Michael Davis]

"many redraws possibile, could be reraised behind you, barely getting odds."

Counterbalanced by implied odds in his favor. This was a definite call.

-Michael

[Michael Davis]

Additionally, he probably should have raised, but he said he was certain that his opponents had something.

-Michael

[bernie]

Getting 18-1 on the initial call to a 14.5-1 shot? Even if the guy raises behind you, cutting it to say, about, 23-2, 11.5-1, you still have a call.

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Moreover I am afraid UTG(pre flop raiser) is checking a very good hand(probably a set) and action is not going to stop at one bet.

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Yes, i always put an UTG raiser on a set when a board comes 7 high. Please. Hindsight thinking? If he does have a set, he'd likely do what most mopes do (regardless of any other info they take in at the table) and go for a raise on the turn. If he does raise, most will likely see monsters also and just call, giving you nice odds to see the turn.

As someone mentioned, a study of pot/implied odds would help. A 30-60 game is an expensive way to learn about this.

b

[felson]

"Getting 18-1 on the initial call"

He is getting 14.5-1.

[Lawrence Ng]

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definite fold, many redraws possibile, could be reraised behind you, barely getting odds.

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If this post is sarcastic, it's not funny. He had all the damn odds to call in the world.

[Lawrence Ng]

Well, it's been said enough times, you fold on the flop is bad given current and implied odds.

If I had your hand, with your position I would have raised the flop, maybe chase out UTG if he had AK or AQ. If he does have a set, so be it. You still have great odds to chase a 3 live outer, possibly 7 outs if hitting a pair of 8's is good.

In these very loose agro games, you must do you fair share of chasing. You have pot odds to do so. You must use your position well. This is exactly one of those mid/high limit games where SSH would apply very well. The swings will be bigger, but the EV is very good. My goodness UTG raise with 44, A5o calls, 25o calls, Ax suited calls. My god, great game.