Hitting your set...

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

(Sorry -- didn't get the hand history here).

Full table of 0.25/0.50 NLHE on Pokerstars.

Relevant stacks:
MP - $25
CO - $80
BB (Hero) - $85

Table is fairly loose pre-flop (a lot of raising), but now that at a maniac has recently busted out, the post-flop game is more sane.


Hero gets 77. Three limpers, CO raises to $2.50. Hero calls and two others call. Pot is approximately $8

Flop T72 (Ten and Seven are spades)

Hero checks. MP bets $3. Limper calls. CO makes it $8. Hero raises to $20. MP calls. Limper folds. CO raises all-in.

What to do? What do you put your opponents on?

[jon_1van]

Call.

CO could easily have AA,KK,QQ,JJ. Might have TT (oh well). Or he could be getting cute with the nut flush draw (not likely but possible).

6 ways each of AA,KK,QQ,JJ...3 ways for TT....So I'd take your chances that he doesn't have TT

Call and crack those Kings

[aces_full]

Call. I'm puting him on a big pair, if he's got TT, oh well.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

A couple of minor corrections --

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Relevant stacks:
MP - $25
CO - $80
BB (Hero) - $85


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As I look at the hand, MP must have been a little bigger -- but less than $40.

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Hero gets 77. Three limpers, CO raises to $2.50. Hero calls and two others call. Pot is approximately $8


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I guess the pot was actually around $10. Not sure that makes a difference, but I know that both MP and CO underbet the pot on the flop.

[turkkito]

Call.

[aLittleFish]

First off, this is a higher game than what I currently play so my advice may not be completely appropriate. I don't imagine this game to be that much superior in skill of opponents, but having no experience myself, someone else may provide sounder advice.

Now for how I would play it...
I'd call instantly. There's only one possible hand that has you beat, 10-10. With a board as low as 10 high, there's plenty of pocket pairs, J-J, Q-Q, K-K, A-A that the villain could have raised with pre-flop that he could be over playing on the flop. I'm gonna assume since you posted this that you called and lost to 10-10. I think though, most of the time you'll be shown and over-played overpair and take down a nice pot. Set over set happens but not enough to fear it in my opinion.

[Ghazban]

Definitely call. Raiser has either an overpair or 2 big spades, either of which you're a favorite to. He MIGHT have TT and you'll have to pay it off but there are just too many ways you're way ahead here to fold.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

Thanks to all who responded. I thought it was an easy call but I have lost some confidence in my game after a couple of weeks of losing. Anyway...

Hero calls and MP calls

Turn 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [damn]

River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [YES!]

MP had the nut flush, but CO had the TT and I lost my entire stack (or just about). After I posted this, I noticed that there was another recent thread discussing set-over-set and, even though that was KK versus a perceived AA, the problem was the same. When I read that thread I felt that it was a definite call -- so I guess mine was as well.

Only for the briefest moment did I put CO on TT -- the player was tight, but he had also lost a big pot with AK to a set on an A high flop. I believe this is one of those situations where Doyle Bronson says that your opponent is going to take your money because there really is no other way to play it.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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I'm gonna assume since you posted this that you called and lost to 10-10.

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I guess I gave that away... good read.

Regarding the game level, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the NL games on Pokerstars -- at least among the .10/.25, .25/.50 and the .50/1 games (the .01/.02 game doesn't really count -- although I was once flamed there for several minutes there after taking someone's stack ($1.65, I believe) when I hit my runner-runner flush.) When your bankroll allows it, moving up to a higher level could be profitable. After losing badly, I had just moved down from the 0.50/1 to the .25/.50 -- mostly because I didn't want to put more money in my account.

[turkkito]

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I believe this is one of those situations where Doyle Bronson says that your opponent is going to take your money because there really is no other way to play it.

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Yep, he'll have the TT here sometimes but lots of other times he'll show you AA/KK/QQ and you'll take a nice pot.