My confessional...

[Josh W]

i screwed up. big time. Well, as 'big time' as somebody can at a poker-related event.

I'm playing 25-50 at the hustler. The game is ludicrous. I'm in seat 3, and dave is in seat 1. he's uberaction. and then some. raising blind, capping the turn with one overcard. you know the kind.

well, he raises preflop, and i threebet on the button with KJc. he caps (he's looked at his cards), and i call.

flop comes QT6...he bets and i call. yeah, i know i could raise here, but i plan on calling til the river, then raising if i miss..he's gonna see the river, so i might as well see it for cheap unless i make my draw.

turn is a 2, he bets, i call
river is a 9. I have the nuts...no pair on board, no flush.

He bets.
I raise
He threebets
I 4bet
He 5bets
I six bet
He 7bets
I 8 bet.

the table starts to complain "chop chop"

He 9 bets.

I see little reason to slow down.

I 10bet.

he 11 bets.

The whole table, for about 4 bets now, has been saying "You both have King Jack"....so, if he has ears, he knows what I have...the whole table has told him

So I 12 bet.

He 13bets, and I decide to just call.

He has 800 left in front of him, I have over 1000 left.

He turns over QQ.

Yeah, I lost about $800 there.

I do NOT play goot

J

[piguy24]

Josh, I had a very similar thing happen at a $10-20 game. I had AJ and the flop came KQT. The other player held J9 and we capped the flop with two other players in. The other two folded on the turn so it was heads up at the river. I bet, he raised, I 3 bet, he 4 bet, I 5 bet, he 6 bet, and I just called. He later said he wasn't even thinking of AJ and would've raised until he was broke. Since then, I've never stopped raising with the nuts unless they show me the same cards. In your case, especially against a superLAG I say keep jamming it.

[Ulysses]

Josh,

Yeah, you screwed up pretty bad. Stopping is horrible, of course. But stopping without at least asking, "want to just go all-in?" or something to that effect is even worse.

I made two mistakes in NL this weekend where I dragged multi-thousand $$$ pots but in each case lost over $500 in value by raising too much. Those hurt worse than any of the bad calls or suckouts.

[ronzoni]

Shame on you. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[mike l.]

we have a lot in common. i wouldve probably caved into the pressure around 7th or 8th bet. we suck.

[joker122]

I don't play live much, but isn't asking to go all-in here within the rules?

[Josh W]

As a general rule, I hate the "you wanna just go allin" approach, although if you (er, me) are gonna stop with the nuts, at least giving the "all in" approach some thought has merit.

I hate it cuz:

a.) I'll only do it with the nuts (or second nut in a jackpot game where if i lose, I win the jackpot

b.) By asking that, I feel like it announces my hand as "the nuts". As such, my opponent will realize this, and stop very very soon. Instead, just going one bet at a time usually will bleed more out of them.

The key is going one bet at a time. If you start going zero bets, like I did, then you should give up poker.

Josh

[andyfox]

So I went to look up confessional, to see if you really meant confession, and the first word I turn to in the dictionary is "cockchafer," which was defined as a large flying beetle. Their defintion; I have another, but I'll let others elaborate.

We've all been there, done that. Sometimes we're SURE they have it too. I once check-called the river with the nuts. Talk about a confessional. Or cockchafer. I have 8-7o in the BB. By the turn the board is 6-4-3-5 rainbow. Ends up just me and UTG. When UTG 6-bets, I re-look at the board, which now, somehow, has two spades (of which I haven't any) and look at the dealer and, while I call, say, "Please don't put a spade on the river." UTG, a friend, says, "Yes, spade, SPADE!" Some friend, huh? The river was a non-spade king and I checked and called.

And my hand was half-good. Just like me.

Regards,
Andy

[andyfox]

You should not give up poker. It was a silly mistake. The greats make silly mistakes all the time. Dimaggio once carried what he thought was the third out head down towards the dugout while the winning run scored.

I don't like asking to go all in with the nuts because it seems like stealing to me. Perhaps I should post this on the psychology forum.

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
The key is going one bet at a time. If you start going zero bets, like I did, then you should give up poker.


[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, I agree with everything in that post, Josh. Except for the whole stopping poker thing. I mean, I'll be coming back to Commerce in a few weeks, so you'll have to play then. I was just saying, if you're gonna stop....