But I have a flush!!

B Dids · #1 07-06-2004, 01:14 AM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Dids is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
8 folds, SB completes, Dids checks,

Flop: (2 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Dids raises, SB calls.

This raise OK?

Turn: (3 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Dids calls.

Hmm?

River: (5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Dids checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Results in white below: 
SB shows 3c 3s (flush, king high).
Dids shows 8h Kc (flush, king high).
Outcome: SB wins 5 BB. 

No point in bluffing the river right, he's not folding?

tech · #2 07-06-2004, 04:24 AM

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No point in bluffing the river right, he's not folding?

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He's not folding.

SomethingClever · #3 07-06-2004, 01:12 PM

I might just give up on the flop. If he has any spade, you're 2-1 to lose even if you hit trips or two pair. And if he doesn't have a spade, you're probably not going to extract much from him with all those spades out there!

I don't fear the flush, but I just don't think it's worth getting involved in this hand.

deacsoft · #4 07-06-2004, 01:16 PM

It looks fine to me. You had him heads up so there was little point in folding top pair before the river which went check, check anyway.

Navers · #5 07-06-2004, 01:17 PM

Why would you raise the turn if he's not going to fold there?

B Dids · #6 07-06-2004, 01:27 PM

My question wasn't if I should raise the turn (although I'm wondering if he would have folded if I did) it's if I should have called.

chief444 · #7 07-06-2004, 01:39 PM

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I might just give up on the flop. If he has any spade, you're 2-1 to lose even if you hit trips or two pair. And if he doesn't have a spade, you're probably not going to extract much from him with all those spades out there!

I don't fear the flush, but I just don't think it's worth getting involved in this hand.

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I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic. If you're serious about folding this flop heads-up I think you're way off.

Zetack · #8 07-06-2004, 01:52 PM

If I'd known what he had I would've raised the turn and bet the river.

Not knowing, it looks alright.

--Zetack

(and as a sidenote, if I knew what my opponents had, my BB/100 would be, oh--just a tad bit higher than it is now...)

SomethingClever · #9 07-06-2004, 02:23 PM

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I might just give up on the flop. If he has any spade, you're 2-1 to lose even if you hit trips or two pair. And if he doesn't have a spade, you're probably not going to extract much from him with all those spades out there!

I don't fear the flush, but I just don't think it's worth getting involved in this hand.

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I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic. If you're serious about folding this flop heads-up I think you're way off.

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I was being serious. If I'm way off, please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

Sure, Hero is probably ahead on the flop, but remember that he was bet into. Yes, I'd bet out this flop if I was first to act, but I would respect the other player's bet in this situation (I usually don't). Good chance he's caught the 4-flush.

Let's say you don't think the Villain has a spade. When the turn is another spade, do you raise? And check/call the river?

No matter what, you're only going to get paid even money on any bets you make or call, and I think you will win here less than 50% of the time.

If you've got another approach, let me know. Sticking with this hand seems high-variance at best.

Again, I would definitely bet the flop if I was first to act, though.

chief444 · #10 07-06-2004, 02:30 PM

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Sure, Hero is probably ahead on the flop, but remember that he was bet into. Yes, I'd bet out this flop if I was first to act, but I find that micro players don't bluff or semi-bluff much. Good chance he's caught the 4-flush.

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If villain has a 4-flush then hero will win this hand 2 out of 3 times (assuming his pair of K's will be the best hand the times another spade does not fall, which is usually going to be the case heads-up.). I don't know about you but I like those odds. I think the only questionable decision is on the turn but I like the call as many players will bluff on the scare card with worse hands.