88 and plan not working

[Roy6]

Villain is 45/8/1.14 after 133 hands. We've been playing together for long and respecting each others bets/raises.

88 is standard 3-bet against Buttonraise for me, but look at this guys PFR. I decided to flatcall and check-raise favorable flops. I think this qualifies as a favorable flop.
I expect him to fold K-hi here, but he called
On the turn.. do we fire another bullett or let it go?

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.17 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero

[waffle]

if you decide to c/r the flop, you've got to follow up on the turn because hardly anyone bet-folds the flop.

that said, i don't think an A high flop qualifies as a good one to proceed with versus a guy with a small opening range.

[Roy6]

A-hi, but only one broadway card. I think that's a good flop generally. Plus, I like the idea of folding out KQ/KJ hands that have decent equity against me.

I'm gonna fire again about 100% of the time. If he raises the turn, I'll fold there. If he calls the turn, we'll see what the river brings, but I might c/c the river, expecting to see a weak Ace.

[spydog]

You seem to contradict yourself here. You don't 3-bet preflop because you respect the Villian's opening standards. Yet, you don't check-fold an Ace hi flop, which is a very bad flop for you if the Villian is a tight raiser.

[car ramrod]

what K hi hands do you think villian will raise here? You won't 3bet him pf b/c you respect his raises too much? Well, an A just got there, and most pp are higher than yours. Do you think he rasies KQ here, if so, 3bet pf.

[krimson]

If you respect his PFR, then this certainly isn't a favourable flop. I would have 3-bet pre-flop despite is PFR% and bet/fold the flop. You said he respects your raises so you should start pushing him around a bit more.

Given how you played, I don't see how anything other than betting this turn is an option. I would fold if he raises.

[Cancuk]

you have to three bet preflop.

Since you didn't, this isn't a favorable flop at all. Most players in SH games won't fold a PP under this either, so they only hands that you're beating are K hi, which consits of KQ, KJ, K10(?)...I think you have to let this go on the flop.

3 bet preflop...
the A is the biggest scare card of all, why dont u consider it a major issue? He prob has u beat about 70% of the time here...
Im betting folding to a raise on the flop, and betting turn again folding to a raise, check calling river if he has shown no signs of strength... He cant possibly be semibluffing this board
cdl

[Spicymoose]

Your preflop and flop plan are so contradictory. If this is a good flop, than just about every flop is a good one. Maybe AKQ wouldn't be, but how often does that come? He may be a tight preflop raiser, but first of all this is a blind steal, so his range goes up. If he is still a tight blind stealer, his range is at least the top 15% of hands. Against that, you have equal equity. So i guess calling preflop, and check raising the flop isn't an awful plan. Once this flop comes, are now a significant underdog, but not necessarily beat. If he has a pair or an ace, you are wasting a bunch of money, and when he has K high, you want him to keep bluffing.

I think this is pretty hard to play postflop with your preflop call. I think maybe check calling the flop is the first move, and then maybe either check/call all the way down, or bet/fold the turn. If he calls the turn, I am again a bit clueless as to what to do, but maybe just check/fold the river? I dunno.

Given that you did check raise the flop, I think you have to follow through with the bet on the turn. You still might be ahead, and I think any non paired hand would fold the turn, so if he doesn't you can probably safely check/fold the river.

Reraise preflop, and save yourself all this mess. I guess being put in this spot is somewhat ok though, cuz then we can discuss a pretty difficult situation, and maybe improve our play.