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Old 04-08-2005, 04:13 PM
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U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords, the Vermont Independent, may face a clear field right now in a 2006 re-election bid, but his March 22 performance on Vermont Public Radio's Switchboard program raised a few eyebrows.

For starters, Jeffords, who opposes the war in Iraq, predicted the Bush administration would start a war in Iran to help elect a third member of the Bush clan to the White House.

<font color="red"> "I think it was all done to get oil,"</font> Jeffords said of invading Iraq.<font color="red"> "And the loss of life that we had, and the cost of it, was to me just a re-election move, and they're going to try to live off it. Probably start another war, wouldn't be surprised, next year. Probably in Iran."</font>

"Do you think that's likely?" VPR host Bob Kinzel asked.

<font color="red"> "I probably shouldn't even talk on it, I just feel so bitter about the thinking that's gone on behind them, and the reasons they go to war and went to war," </font>Jeffords replied.<font color="red"> "But I feel very strongly that they are looking ahead, and that there will be an opportunity to go into Iran and try to get their son elected president. I don't know, but you do it each time they (are) going to have a new president. I'm very, very </font>(Jeffords chuckles).<font color="red"> Oh, well, I better be quiet." </font>


source, and should be available on NPR soon.
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:54 PM
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Jeffords is a great man.

He courageously left the Republican Party when it moved too far to the right, and didn't accept moderates anymore. I expect Olympia Snowe to switch parties any day now.
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:01 PM
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Default Re: Jeffords, the conspiracy theorist

This is funny!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Jeffords is a great man.

He courageously left the Republican Party when it moved too far to the right, and didn't accept moderates anymore. I expect Olympia Snowe to switch parties any day now.

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Old 04-08-2005, 05:09 PM
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"He courageously left the Republican Party..."
More like cowardly switched after being elected.

"...when it moved too far to the right, and didn't accept moderates anymore."
Last I checked, we still had people like McCain. If you consider him as a far right-winger, than I guess that shows how far from the center you are. But I guess this came from the Kerry-worshipper here so I shouldn't be surprised... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:13 PM
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McCain is pretty much a conservative.

His American Conservative Union rating is in the 80s(on a scale of 1-100), last I checked. That places him solidly in the conservative camp.

He toes the party line on most things except for a few like gun control and campaign finance reform, but he's still anti-choice, anti-gay rights, and pro-war. He plays to his maverick image a bit but there is no chance that McCain will jump to the Dem Party.

He reminds me a lot of Goldwater(and Goldwater sucked).
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:18 PM
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His overall ACU rating is 83. But the last two years it was in the low 70s. Hardly that right wing.

His stance on campaign finance reform sucks though. Trying to ban money from the electoral process is stupid because as you can see, those who would donate find a way to get around it and it's a limitation on speech anyway.
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:21 PM
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"He reminds me a lot of Goldwater(and Goldwater sucked)."
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I liked Goldwater and I see ZERO comparison with Goldwater and McCain...
Goldwater was a leader of the right-wing of the republican party.
McCain is a moderate republican at best...
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:21 PM
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Ok, one point at a time:

First, about the rating. 50 means that someone is a centrist. 75 would be a moderate conservative and 25 would be a moderate liberal. McCain is a moderate conservative. He's well within the conservative mainstream with his 81 rating.

Snowe is way below that. She really belongs in the Dem party, especially considering the rightward drift of your party.

As to the second point, I agree with you. Campaign finance reform is a huge restriction on free speech, and as someone who respects the Constitution, I was disgusted when Congress passed it. Both parties [censored] themselves right in the ass with this one, but the Democrats especially, since the Republicans can fundraise much more easily now.

Soft money should be allowed, but not just because it benefits Democrats. Because contributing to campaigns is a way to express your opinion, and that should not be banned.

I also vehemently disagree with the 60 day restriction on political speech before a congressional election.
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:34 PM
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*The last few years, McCain has barely been a moderate conservative.

*Hillary Clinton is the only Dem I see floating towards the right (not like it would help her). A little pot calling the kettle black? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

*Snowe has a lifetime rating of 51, but in 04 she had a 60 and the year before that a 35. Either she's just wishy-washy, or she's up for re-election.

*I agree with all of your other points about CFR
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:36 PM
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Hillary Clinton happens to be my Senator, and she is an anti-semitic bitch. She called Dick Morris a "[censored] Jew bastard" and she also made some anti-Indian remark which involved Gandhi.

She supports Israel because you basically have to in order to win a statewide election in New York. I don't support Israel, and yet I'm constantly accused of being an anti-semite on here, for that reason. If you want to see a real anti-Semite, look no farther than HRC.

If she runs for President then I will not vote for her. I will probably end up voting for the Green Party candidate or writing in someone else.

Edit: I edited the comment calling HRC stupid out of my post. She is not stupid, but she is a conniving bitch.
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