boring but instructive

cdxx · #1 07-22-2005, 10:00 AM

is this a clear fold to an overpair?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero ???

i feel that this type of hand i would call down 2 months ago, but now i know a bit better.

the villain in this case is a borderline maniac, 54/8/1, who sometimes gets passive and calls down. he is on some huge swings (up $100, down $50). this is over 100 hands or so.

ackid · #2 07-22-2005, 10:11 AM

Looks like he got you beat with JJ/QQ/ or KK. I would fold. Not enough in the pot to chase a 2 outer.

car ramrod · #3 07-22-2005, 10:15 AM

According to your read, I would cap the flop, if he then leads the turn. I would fold.

ackid · #4 07-22-2005, 10:21 AM

Say he capps the flop. If its checked on the turn do you bet or take the free card?

krimson · #5 07-22-2005, 10:27 AM

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Say he capps the flop. If its checked on the turn do you bet or take the free card?

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Even if he checks the turn i'd still be pretty unsure i'm ahead here. His QQ or whatever could be slowing down because he thinks you hit a set, or he could be looking to c/r. I'd take the cheapest showdown I can get.

Entity · #6 07-22-2005, 10:32 AM

54/8/1 is not a borderline maniac.

Against this player (again, not a maniac), I think you can fold to the turn bet. Against a true manaic, I'd either call down or toss one more raise in.

Rob

droolie · #7 07-22-2005, 11:12 AM

I'm calling this down. You're getting 7:1 on the turn and will likely have to call a river bet so let's say you're looking at having to pay 2 to win 9. I think you're good here enough against a LAG to show a profit and if not you at least keep the guy honest. I'd fold if the turn was an A.

tiltaholic · #8 07-22-2005, 11:19 AM

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I'm calling this down. You're getting 7:1 on the turn and will likely have to call a river bet so let's say you're looking at having to pay 2 to win 9. I think you're good here enough against a LAG to show a profit and if not you at least keep the guy honest. I'd fold if the turn was an A.

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i think i call this down as well. but i always feel like a dumba[/i]ss doing it.

this is a dumb question: is it paying 2 to win 9 or paying 2 to win 7.

i'm also more likely to fold if the turn is an A or K.

nice avatar. fred savage no goot!

krimson · #9 07-22-2005, 11:28 AM

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this is a dumb question: is it paying 2 to win 9 or paying 2 to win 7.

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2 to win 8.5 assuming a river bet.

Aaron W. · #10 07-22-2005, 11:43 AM

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the villain in this case is a borderline maniac, 54/8/1, who sometimes gets passive and calls down. he is on some huge swings (up $100, down $50). this is over 100 hands or so.

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That's not maniacal. That's loose preflop with a little bit of aggression. 8 PFR is nothing spectacular.