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Old 11-14-2005, 11:23 AM
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Default Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

$5/$10 Limit 8-handed on PartyPoker

Just sat down less than 10 hands ago, so don't have a read on any of the players.

Hero: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG folds, <font color="red"> Hero calls </font> <font color="black"> </font> MP1 folds <font color="red"> Villian raises </font> <font color="black"> </font> CU folds, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="red"> BB calls, Hero calls </font> BB calls, Hero calls

Flop (6.5 SB): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red"> Villian bets, </font> <font color="black"> </font> BB folds, <font color="red"> ero raises, Villian re-raises, Hero caps, </font> <font color="black"> </font> Villian calls.

<font color="black"> </font> Turn (7 BB): 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> Hero bets, </font> Hero bets, <font color="black"> </font> Villain calls

River (9 BB): J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> Hero bets, Villian raises, </font>

Hero??? Call or re-raise?
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Old 11-14-2005, 11:27 AM
hobbsmann hobbsmann is offline
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

call.

Edit: Ehhh, it's early in the morning and I think one my leaks is passive river play. 3-betting is probably best as there are more combos of AJ than oddly played higher sets.
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Old 11-14-2005, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

I think this is a 3-bet. He has AJ(s) almost every time. If he had JJ he would not have 3-bet the flop and if he had AA (and probably 88) he would have kept going on the turn. If he did do one of those things, then bad for him; I want to see it.
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Old 11-14-2005, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

Reraise. Unless villain is a total maniac, he didn't go haywire on the flop with JJ. If he had 88 or AA, he would've popped you on the turn. I'd say you're up against AJs.

Edit: Octopus beat me to it.
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Old 11-14-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

Reraise. This looks a lot like AJ.
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

3-bet every time. I only played 5/10 fr for about 500 hands at non-BBJ tables, but my initial feeling is that preflop limp is pretty bad, especially with the very lowest pocket pairs.
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Old 11-14-2005, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

Fold preflop. 3-bet the river.
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Old 11-14-2005, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

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Fold preflop. 3-bet the river.

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If you are going to limp this trash in an 8 handed game, you absolutely have to 3 bet this river. Seriously, only 1 hand has you beat, and it's JJ. He does'nt have AA or 88, because he didn't raise the turn. If he has JJ, good for him.
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Old 11-14-2005, 01:53 PM
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If you are going to limp this trash in an 8 handed game, you absolutely have to 3 bet this river. Seriously, only 1 hand has you beat, and it's JJ. He does'nt have AA or 88, because he didn't raise the turn. If he has JJ, good for him.

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Imo, I would consider AA and 88 more likely than JJ. I think a "slowplay" on the turn is a more common mistake than 3-betting JJ on an ace high flop.
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Old 11-14-2005, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Bottom Set... Did I Miss a Bet?

lets do some hand reading. he raised pf so that cuts down his range. He 3-bets on an A-hi flop indicating at least an ace. on the turn he just calls, meaning he probably doesnt have a set. The river is another face card and he raises. The most probable hand is AJ for his indestructible 2 pair that he will call your 3 bet with and lose. 3 bet that riv.
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