Higher $/hr by going for coinflips @ Lvl1-> Your $/hr + #10 finishes?

AA suited · #1 08-10-2005, 01:15 PM

Lorinda says she goes for coin flips at lvl1. If she hits, her chances of ITM improve significantly. if she loses, then she'll just start a new game. she says her $/hr is higher with this method.

She even provided a mathematically proof of it. But i cant find that thread [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Anyway, my 9th + 10th place finishes total 11% [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] in my last 800 $55's. ITM = 36.1%, ROI = 16.4%.

I've been pushing with AK if re-raised, and calling all-in with AKs/TT+ and going for the coin flip at lvl1

theorectically, an roi of 16.4% = $36/hr if quad tabling and assuming each quad takes an hr.

But according to Aleo's SnG spreadsheet, I'm making $53/hr. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

what are your 9th and 10th place finishes, roi and $/hr?

Nottom · #2 08-10-2005, 02:23 PM

I think this works much better at the lower buyins ... at the 100s you never seem to be in a coinflip with those hands unless you are against a real donk.

45suited · #3 08-10-2005, 02:32 PM

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I think this works much better at the lower buyins ... at the 100s you never seem to be in a coinflip with those hands unless you are against a real donk.

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I know that Ilya always talks abou this (increasing $ / hr this way), so I've recently started doing this as an expirement myself on the 11s and 22s.

The only problem is that the play is SO bad that I honestly don't know if it's to my advantage to take coinflips even as a slight favorite. Maybe it is in $ / hr terms (I have a very small sample size since I started doing this. Just under 100 games.)

But I really hate the variance. One good thing is that I'm getting a sick # of 1sts as opposed to before. In 20 games the other day, I only had 8 ITMs, but my distribution was 5 firsts and 3 thirds.

I really am interested to see how this goes myself...

Lori · #4 08-10-2005, 02:34 PM

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lorinda says she goes for coin flips at lvl1. If she hits, her chances of ITM improve significantly. if she loses, then she'll just start a new game. she says her $/hr is higher with this method.

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I have claimed I thought the $/hr would be higher, and have mentioned it as an option. I've often been in the position where I've prefered to take the ROI over hourly rate due to bankroll considerations.
I don't believe I have provided proof, although I would be very interested in seeing some.

Lori

Newt_Buggs · #5 08-10-2005, 05:59 PM

my main concern is the rake

AA suited · #6 08-10-2005, 10:03 PM

whoops.. meant Ilya, not Lori [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

no wonder why i couldnt find that post that had the math [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

newt- Ilya's calcs included the rake, and it still came ahead. btw, how r u doing in the 100's?

edit: i still cant find that frigging math post

Apathy · #7 08-10-2005, 10:14 PM

I think you make this post once a month.

ilya · #8 08-10-2005, 10:20 PM

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whoops.. meant Ilya, not Lori [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

no wonder why i couldnt find that post that had the math [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

newt- Ilya's calcs included the rake, and it still came ahead. btw, how r u doing in the 100's?

edit: i still cant find that frigging math post

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Oh no....I am putting on my flame-retardant suit. Thanks a bunch, AA! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

AA suited · #9 08-10-2005, 10:29 PM

ah... here it is:

Coinflip math

Newt_Buggs · #10 08-11-2005, 12:34 AM

Interesting post, but there are a couple of things that I think need to be considered:
-he used a value of 1.9 for doubling up, ICM puts it at 1.844
-assuming a 20% ROI is fine for someone who's easily beating the lower limits, but there aren't many that this would apply to in the $55s+
-This doesn't apply very well to flipping coins with AK specifically because AK is an underdog against pockets. AK against 88-QQ wins 43.8% and AKs wins 46.6%.