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Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
MP1 is LP-P but plays solid enough. Should I stay aggressive or be concerned that he capped the flop?
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.75. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (9 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (10.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 12.50 BB |
#2
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
I'm folding the turn. After that flop, the only plausible hand that you beat was AK which now crushes you.
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#3
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
On the flop you are behind to AA,QQ,JJ and AQ (11 combinations). You are ahead of KK,TT and AK(20 combinations) as likely PF 3-betting hands for MP1.
When MP1 caps the flop, I think its more likely that you are behind at that stage, so calling down makes sense. At the turn, you are only ahead of TT, but have about 8 outs to win or tie on the river, so a call is just about ok, given the size of the pot. On the river you can still easily have the 2nd best hand, but a call is still probably justified. So, I think you were correct to just check/call after MP1 3-bet the flop. |
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
I think it was correct to slow down on the turn.
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#5
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
On the river, you're only behind AK and AQ. There are a total of 6 combinations. I think you can raise here and call a reraise.
Note that there the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is the only A that you can't account for. There are lots of hands that could play the preflop and the flop the same way that you've passed -- JJ (1 combo), QQ(2 combos), KK(2 combos), AT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](1 combo), maybe Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (probably a 9)(probably 1 combo), some other KT s (probably [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s), and maybe even AT o. When you see that last A fall, I think you can raise for value --there are tons of hands that are played the same way that you caught up with. |
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
okay the turn K is a concern
but because he is LP i think you were behind on the flop when he is capping there is no way that i would fold the river i am thinking bet the river you are only behind AK and AQ cheers, the Real Macoy |
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
You're behind to a lot of pre-flop 3-bet hands, and especially after he caps the flop, it doesn't look good -- if he's truly passive, he's not capping the flop with TT or anything with a K in it, I wouldn't think. I think it's close between a call and a fold on the turn if you trust that he's not aggressive/tricky, but it might not be close -- I'd call, in any event.
When you hit one of your outs on the river, though, I would bet/call at least, maybe bet/3-bet. You just crushed JJ and QQ, although AQ and AK still beat you (again, I don't think a passive caps the flop with AK). |
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
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At the turn, you are only ahead of TT, but have about 8 outs to win or tie on the river, so a call is just about ok, given the size of the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, we just fell behind TT on the turn. |
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
Flop and turn are fine.
I would want to get my money in on the river, though. Villain is more likely to have QQ or JJ then AK or AQ. |
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Re: Top and bottom pair on scary flop!
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Actually, we just fell behind TT on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Well spotted. My mistake. |
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