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#1
02-09-2005, 05:19 PM
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Stop and Go move
Can someone explain the benefits of a "stop and go" and give an example when a good time to use it might be? I have to admit, that Im not sure exactly what it is or when to use it. This is the closest Ive ever come to using it.
$2/$4NL Hero $800 Preflop Raising Villian $700 Preflop caller $400 Villain raises to $14 UTG. MP calls. Im the SB and call with QQ. The pot is $46. The flop comes 853 rainbow. I check, villain bets $24. MP folds and I call. Pot is $70. The turn is a 2. I lead out for $50 and he calls. Pot is $170. The river is another 2. I lead for $50 again and he folds. Is this even close to a proper stop and go? 
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#4
05-02-2005, 12:15 PM
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Re: Stop and Go move
looks good to me - I'd consider CR flop or leading out, but if you think he'll bet, it's probably a good play. given no A on turn, it's a good stop and go - especially since his play reeked of weakness on the flop. Now he's calling w/ some outs, so I'd have check / called the river when he misses like that.
As for your more philisophical question - i don't really have too much time to answer it now, but it's a subtle form of pot control from out of position and you can wait for safe cards to come off on the turn to make your opponent make a mistake w/out risking your whole stack. It's also a confusing, annoying move to the positional player so it's good to mix it up by doing this with some good hands as a confused player is more liable to make mistakes. If on the river, it can be a value or a freeze bet, so again it can confuse opponent. Anyway, just some stuff to think about. Another great spot to use it is if you bet out on flop w/ good hand, get raised by an aggro semi-bluffer. Call. If safe card on turn, don't give him odds and hope for a weak call from opponent. Etc. Etc. Etc.
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#6
05-02-2005, 02:30 PM
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Re: Stop and Go move
Stop and go is... you bet the flop, he raises, you call. You bet the turn, he raises, you call. You bet the river, he raises, you call. Now this is an extreme example (3 streets) and personally seems more common in limit (when he won't get tired of this play and simply push you out of the hand with a big raise as he will in NL).
I am pretty new to NL, but in limit I never used this play except when each subsequent street improved my hand so I bet out for value. This move might be used if you think he's on a draw and raised you on the flop to take a free card on the turn, but I always figured if you think he's raising for a free card, why not just reraise him and THEN lead the turn, getting in an extra SB (in limit at least), so that's why I don't use it.
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#7
05-02-2005, 02:41 PM
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Re: Stop and Go move
Check to induce a bluff on the river.
He's definitely not calling your bet with A high here.
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#8
05-02-2005, 02:59 PM
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Re: Stop and Go move
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Stop and go is... you bet the flop, he raises, you call. You bet the turn, he raises, you call. You bet the river, he raises, you call. [/ QUOTE ] no. its when you call the flop, then lead the turn.
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