10/20 NL Party: Handling Table Image

[FoxwoodsFiend]

I've played 6 rounds. I've shown two hands down. One was 9 hands ago with KK where I reraised CO raise preflop from BB then got it all in against 8 10 and won. The other was last hand where I raised UTG+1 with 56, got 3 callers flopped bottom pair on A-high board, bet 3/4 pot, got min-raised, called, spiked two-pair and stacked AK.
VERY next hand I get A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG
I raise to 70 (same as previous hand) and UTG+1 reraises to 200. He has only been sitting down for 2 rounds and has played 3 hands, twice calling a raise. He has $2160. I call.
Flop:
3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I check, villain bets 400, I check-raise to 1000.
The flop I think plays itself. Won't reveal results. The question is

[Ulysses]

Why on earth did you checkraise to $1000?

[TheWorstPlayer]

[ QUOTE ]
The flop I think plays itself.

[/ QUOTE ] Really? I definitely see a few possible lines. Care to explain why you think this is the clear one?

[xorbie]

Lead flop and 3-bet all in?

[neon]

I think calling is fine preflop; your image is such that villain is not necessarily giving you credit for a premium hand.

I agree with others, however, that your flop CR to $1k is abysmal. What are you going to do if villain calls your flop raise and the turn bricks? Check-fold? Check-call for all your chips? Lead all-in? (the only semi-decent line of the three, imo, but you probably have about zero folding equity, so it still sucks)

W/ big draws, the goal is to keep the pot small or get all the money in the middle. Since the first option is basically impossible after the preflop action and villain's pot-sized bet on the flop, we might as well get it all-in.

xorbie mentioned the lead, reraise line. I think this is a prefect spot to lead for $250-$350 and then come over the top of villain's reraise, which I'd guess he's going to do about 95% of the time on the flop here (I just pulled that out of my ass, of course, but given hero's holding in the previous hand and his lead for a 3/4-pot pet w/ bottom pair in that situation, I'd be shocked if hero led at this flop and didn't get raised here).

I guess a CR all-in on the flop wouldn't be terrible in this spot, either, b/c hero likely has no folding equity anyway, so he isn't losing that by taking a line that announces he has a big draw.

Hmm, I'm also curious if this is an EV+ spot to get all-in on this flop vs. villain's likely hand range? I'm not the guy to figure it out, but if we give him 99-AA, AKs, AKo, and AQs, is hero a favorite over this hand range in the long run?

Thanks if anyone feels like tackling that one. Oh, and feel free to add to or subtract from the hand range I came up w/, of course.

-neon

[etizzle]

Board: 2s 5d 8s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 52.5063 % [ 00.50 00.02 ] { AsQs }
Hand 2: 47.4937 % [ 00.45 00.02 ] { AA-99, AKs-AJs, AKo }



So he is a favorite against his range. If you take out AQs and 99, he becomes a dog.


Board: 3s 5d 8s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 47.8886 % [ 00.47 00.01 ] { AsQs }
Hand 2: 52.1114 % [ 00.52 00.01 ] { AA-TT, AKs, AKo }

[fimbulwinter]

why not just move it in on the flop? the whole check/minraise thing OOP sets you up for a gross turn.

fim

[Jeff W]

I would fold pre flop(after the reraise), but I am in the minority. Can someone knock some sense into me and tell me why this is a good call?

[BobboFitos]

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I would fold pre flop(after the reraise), but I am in the minority. Can someone knock some sense into me and tell me why this is a good call?

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i said fold, too, i think people are vastly overestimating your image consideration after one hand. afterall, people probably noticed you played solidly for the first few rounds, then perhaps just "mixed it up." The fact you DID just mix it up and showed the hand lends less credence to a similar hand and more to a big hand. (Unless you're a proven donk, which is not the case)

what it boils down to is your hand vs a reraise still is bad, even if they are doing so with less then stellar holdings it's too expensive to determine.

i think the call of the re*raise is neg EV.

it seems I am also in the minority. (as Jeff is)

off to bed, so perhaps i can be convinced of this in the morning.

edited* x2, typed limped, ment re

[AZK]

He's playing his image, after the last orbit or whatever, he isn't getting credit for AQs, someone could be isolating with much weaker holdings...