Some TT hands for evaluation

tomtemor · #1 05-12-2005, 09:12 AM

Okey, I just picked some TT hands from PT. I think this is a pretty difficult hand to play. I stay in too long or fold to quick, etc.

Hand #1

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds.

River: (6.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Hand#2 Can't believe I have the guts to show you this hand, to my defence to CO and BB were complete maniacs after 50+ hands.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO caps, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (17.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, CO calls $1.25 (All-In), Hero folds, BB calls.

River: (19.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 19.75 BB

Hand#3

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Hand#4

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB

itsmesteve · #2 05-12-2005, 09:21 AM

1. you're probably beat. getting about 8:1 i'd call too.

2. I really don't like calling 2 cold on the flop and then folding for one bet on the turn. i think, if these guys are truly maniacs, i'd 3bet the flop and see how that changes things. BB and CO i assume, could have anything, being maniacs, so i want to show down my overpair. don't let the paired board scare you.

3. The only reason not to cap the flop is so you can raise later on in the hand, imo. i'd probably raise the turn.

4. Standard.

wireMan · #3 05-12-2005, 09:30 AM

Hand 1:
Preflop and flop I play the same.
When checked to me on the turn, with an Ace on the board I'm checking to see the river for free. You're not getting an Ace to fold with a bet.
After checking the turn, I'm calling the river bet as I may have just allowed myself to be bluffed at when another card lower than my tens hits the board.

Hand 2:
Not sure what to say here. Pot is huge. One player is all in. I'm calling the turn.

Hand 3:
Smells like pocket a pocket pair for MP1, maybe even pocket 2's. I play this the same way all the way through.

Hand 4:
Depending on my mood and the table, I raise TT preflop from UTG, but other than that I play this the same way all the way through.

Nick Royale · #4 05-12-2005, 09:47 AM

Hand 1:
The river bet sucks, but I would pay off. You were planning to take a free showdown, right?

Hand 2:
3-bet the flop. Calling is the worst option.

Hand 3:
Nice hand. (guess you could cap the flop, but calling is better IMO)

Hand 4:
Nice hand.

MrWookie47 · #5 05-12-2005, 09:50 AM

Hand 3, I raise the river. You'll see A2, 22, or a lower PP there way more often than you'll see a 7.

Hand 4, raise preflop man.

tomtemor · #6 05-12-2005, 10:02 AM

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Hand 1:
The river bet sucks, but I would pay off. You were planning to take a free showdown, right?

Hand 2:
3-bet the flop. Calling is the worst option.

Hand 3:
Nice hand. (guess you could cap the flop, but calling is better IMO)

Hand 4:
Nice hand.

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Yes, I hoped I would get a free showdown, but oh well. The good thing though is that he showed me 79 for a pair of sevens.

Mister Z · #7 05-12-2005, 10:53 AM

Hand 1: At these limits I see people calling down with middle pair all the time. Had he not bet into you on the river, and given the right read on the opponent, couldn't this have been a value bet?

HajiShirazu · #8 05-12-2005, 10:58 AM

Hand 1 fine.
Hand 2, you have to see a showdown here if these guys really are maniacs, heck even against decent aggressives you should probably showdown, especially since you know it's going to cost you only two bets to get there, plus you can still spike a ten if behind.
Hand 3/4 are fine.

Nick Royale · #9 05-12-2005, 11:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1: At these limits I see people calling down with middle pair all the time. Had he not bet into you on the river, and given the right read on the opponent, couldn't this have been a value bet?

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We don't have a read but yes, playing .5-1 this can very well be a valuebet. Generally I'm not betting this since it's an ace on the board and our opponents tend to like playing aces. At 2-4 where I usually play I don't valuebet this. With K, J or Q as overcard I'm more likely to bet.