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Old 11-22-2005, 09:10 PM
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Default AKs runs into trouble - Should I have folded this on the flop?

Hi guys,

First post here - been reading for a few months and finally had what I found a very tricky/interesting hand.

Have only just moved up to SSNL at VCPoker with $0.05/$0.10 - I play a lot of SNG and MTT and have been working on my cash games for a while and so far have been doing okay.

I had this hand earlier tonight and got really stuck.

Villains preflop raise of $0.80 slightly worried and I would have probably thrown away AKoff but decided to call with my AKs. The flop gave me the flush draw which is where I started to get slightly trapped on the hand. ShellyGrez's flop bet was the one where I started to think about throwing the hand away and probably should have - I wasn't getting the odds for a call with the flush draw. I probably made a bad call here and Im hoping this is where I went wrong. The Ace on the turn only worsened my situation. I now had top pair and flush draw and from here on in I just lost it completely, flat calling villains's bets on 4th and 5th streets.

Am I right to think this should have been thrown away on the flop or was I right to call the $2 bet?

Thanks in advance.

Jon

4914644-34873 Holdem No Limit $0.05/$0.10
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Hand Start.
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 1 : brief07 has $14.39
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 2 : THEOAK98 has $1
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 3 : BIG DANNO has $7.87
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 4 : Arsenal067 has $1.60
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 5 : ShellyGrez has $16.95
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 6 : DeCaf has $4.48
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 7 : mwilko has $14.47
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 8 : jonny172 has $15.25
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : Seat 9 : elsapo has $15.82
[Nov 23 00:03:25] : jonny172 is the dealer.
[Nov 23 00:03:27] : elsapo posted small blind.
[Nov 23 00:03:27] : brief07 posted big blind.
[Nov 23 00:03:31] : DeCaf posted big blind.
[Nov 23 00:03:31] : Game [34873] started with 9 players.
[Nov 23 00:03:31] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 23 00:03:31] : Seat 8 : jonny172 has A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
[Nov 23 00:03:36] : THEOAK98 called $0.10
[Nov 23 00:03:37] : BIG DANNO folded.
[Nov 23 00:03:37] : Arsenal067 folded.
[Nov 23 00:03:43] : ShellyGrez called $0.10 and raised $0.80
[Nov 23 00:03:45] : DeCaf folded.
[Nov 23 00:03:46] : mwilko folded.
[Nov 23 00:03:49] : jonny172 called $0.90
[Nov 23 00:03:51] : elsapo folded.
[Nov 23 00:03:52] : brief07 folded.
[Nov 23 00:03:54] : THEOAK98 called $0.80 and raised $0.10 and is All-in
[Nov 23 00:03:54] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Nov 23 00:03:57] : ShellyGrez called $0.10
[Nov 23 00:03:59] : jonny172 called $0.10
[Nov 23 00:03:59] : Dealing flop.
[Nov 23 00:03:59] : Board cards [J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
[Nov 23 00:04:05] : ShellyGrez bet $2
[Nov 23 00:04:19] : jonny172 called $2
[Nov 23 00:04:19] : Dealing turn.
[Nov 23 00:04:19] : Board cards [J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
[Nov 23 00:04:21] : ShellyGrez bet $2
[Nov 23 00:04:24] : jonny172 called $2
[Nov 23 00:04:25] : Dealing river.
[Nov 23 00:04:25] : Board cards [J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
[Nov 23 00:04:29] : ShellyGrez bet $4
[Nov 23 00:04:33] : jonny172 called $4
[Nov 23 00:04:34] : Showdown!
[Nov 23 00:04:34] : Seat 8 : jonny172 has A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
[Nov 23 00:04:36] : Seat 5 : ShellyGrez has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
[Nov 23 00:04:36] : ShellyGrez has 3 of a Kind: Aces
[Nov 23 00:04:37] : ShellyGrez wins $15.20 with 3 of a Kind: Aces
[Nov 23 00:04:37] : Seat 2 : THEOAK98 has Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
[Nov 23 00:04:37] : THEOAK98 has Straight AKQJT
[Nov 23 00:04:37] : Seat 5 : ShellyGrez has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
[Nov 23 00:04:37] : ShellyGrez has 3 of a Kind: Aces
[Nov 23 00:04:37] : THEOAK98 wins $3.09 with Straight AKQJT
[Nov 23 00:04:46] : Hand is over. <font color="red"> </font>
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:19 PM
beavens beavens is offline
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Default Re: AKs runs into trouble - Should I have folded this on the flop?

quick advice about posting hands - dont post the results right away!

skews how people think about what lines they would take.
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:22 PM
IbrakeFORrivers IbrakeFORrivers is offline
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Default Re: AKs runs into trouble - Should I have folded this on the flop?

[ QUOTE ]
quick advice about posting hands - dont post the results right away!

skews how people think about what lines they would take.

[/ QUOTE ]

also, don't post screenames!!! it's inconsiderate... What iff you were the "donk" or the "shark" they portrayed?? Gives away part of your "game-plan." Ask permission first maybe... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: AKs runs into trouble - Should I have folded this on the flop?

Standard play is to move all-in on the flop. The call route is fine and probably raise this river. Top two is a huge hand in this 10$ game.
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:25 PM
IbrakeFORrivers IbrakeFORrivers is offline
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Default Re: AKs runs into trouble - Should I have folded this on the flop?

Pot odds don't justify a call... I'd either re-raise on the semi-bluff or fold...
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:29 PM
JFB37 JFB37 is offline
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Default Re: AKs runs into trouble - Should I have folded this on the flop?

beavens is right about posting.

I tried to look at it putting aside knowing the outcome. My advice would have been raise the turn, fold to a push, and check behind on the river if no heart came.

Are 8x pf raises common here?
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