Could I have won less money on this?

#1 11-27-2005, 03:06 PM

First HH, be gentle...

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Don't have many notes on Villian 2, 14 vpip and 1.5 agro, I figure he has a big ace or big pair.

Villian 1 is a calling station, 55 vpip agro around .2, who will call with pretty much anything and take it to river if he has any part of the board.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 (Villian 1)/ calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 (Villian 2)/ 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 (Villian 1)/ calls, Hero caps, MP3 (Villian 2)/ calls, UTG+2 (Villian 1)/ calls.

Flop: (14.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villian 1 checks, Hero checks, Villian 2 bets, Villian 1 calls, Hero calls.

This is pretty much my worst nightmare of a board, I have a definate fear of flopped flushes so I go into passive mode. I'm not sure if a check raise here does me any good.

Turn: (8.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villian 1 bets, Hero calls, Villian 2 folds.

I've played enough against Villian 1 that I really hate to fold to him, over almost 200 hands I'm up slightly on him. Again I think I might have missed a raise opportunity but I'm still afraid of the flush... just not enough to fold.

River: (10.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian 1 bets, Hero calls.

I should have been more afraid of this river because of the straight possiblity but I think I was mostly glad it wasn't the 4th heart.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

I have a hard time knowing when I'm ahead in hands like this and probably go into c/c mode too much. Any tips?

cold_cash · #2 11-27-2005, 03:13 PM

Bet the flop/raise the turn.

You have a good hand, and guys playing 55% of their hands can have a bunch of hands that aren't flopped flushes.

#3 11-27-2005, 03:24 PM

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First HH, be gentle...

Party Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Don't have many notes on Villian 2, 14 vpip and 1.5 agro, I figure he has a big ace or big pair.

Villian 1 is a calling station, 55 vpip agro around .2, who will call with pretty much anything and take it to river if he has any part of the board.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 (Villian 1)/ calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 (Villian 2)/ 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 (Villian 1)/ calls, Hero caps, MP3 (Villian 2)/ calls, UTG+2 (Villian 1)/ calls.

Flop: (14.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villian 1 checks, Hero checks, Villian 2 bets, Villian 1 calls, Hero calls.

This is pretty much my worst nightmare of a board, I have a definate fear of flopped flushes so I go into passive mode. I'm not sure if a check raise here does me any good.

Turn: (8.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villian 1 bets, Hero calls, Villian 2 folds.

I've played enough against Villian 1 that I really hate to fold to him, over almost 200 hands I'm up slightly on him. Again I think I might have missed a raise opportunity but I'm still afraid of the flush... just not enough to fold.

River: (10.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian 1 bets, Hero calls.

I should have been more afraid of this river because of the straight possiblity but I think I was mostly glad it wasn't the 4th heart.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

I have a hard time knowing when I'm ahead in hands like this and probably go into c/c mode too much. Any tips?

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If you don't lead the flop, you have to check-raise and regain control of the hand. You were the PFR, you're not gonna let a few hearts scare you into checking that flop are you? If you c/r the flop and get 3-bet, fold it, otherwise I'd keep leading away. The 9 on the river is then probably a check/call if you take that line. I've been out of it for a few days cuz of Thanksgiving so I might be all screwed up in my thinking of this play so take it with a grain of salt.

Either way, you can't just check/call this down. Aggression aggression aggression!

Steve

#4 11-27-2005, 03:26 PM

Yea, my aggression is a paltry 1.22 up from about a .9 10k hands ago when I realized I needed to get it up higher. I might have still been in shock from getting aggressive with JJ and getting my tuckas handed to me by a set.

Greg J · #5 11-27-2005, 03:28 PM

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Could I have won less money on this?

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I guess you could open fold somewhere.

Seriously, bet the flop and slow down on the turn if people start getting nutty.

#6 11-27-2005, 03:47 PM

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Could I have won less money on this?

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I guess you could open fold somewhere.

Seriously, bet the flop and slow down on the turn if people start getting nutty.

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That would be my line aswell.

How do you guys like this line?
Bet the flop, call a raise.
Check/Call turn
If no heart comes on river, try to cap it.

#7 11-27-2005, 04:14 PM

I like it. This is my standard line on such a coordinated board. Since you don't have the king of hearts this is a type of hand I like to lose the least on. If I have the king of hearts I pump it and try to win the most.

Remember bets saved spend the same as bets won.

cold_cash · #8 11-27-2005, 04:32 PM

So you're okay with the flop and/or turn being checked around?

#9 11-27-2005, 04:41 PM

What if you get 3-bet on the flop by the guy who opens? You are kind of in the same spot, either he has the flush or he reads 2+2 and is aggressive.

#10 11-27-2005, 04:51 PM

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What if you get 3-bet on the flop by the guy who opens? You are kind of in the same spot, either he has the flush or he reads 2+2 and is aggressive.

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Or a set of Queens.

I lead this flop and see where it goes from there.