You can not win at 2/4 or 3/6 hold'em

[ehoshizaki]

Is it possible that at partypoker the low limit ring game rake is so high that only a very small percent of the players (less than 5%) have the skill to win long term?

[JoshuaD]

No. I imagine 20-30% of the players are beating those games.

[meep_42]

Online poker is rigged, no one wins.
Ok. That's not true. People do win -- but not many of them.

-d

[jason_t]

I suck at poker and I'm winning over 90k hands at 2/4. I know a lot of people beating 2/4 and a lot of people beating 3/6. Something to keep in mind however is that because of the rake the average player is losing money. However, with study and practice the game is easily beatable. I'd say 15-20% of people can beat the game.

[ehoshizaki]

Is there some way we can look at this question theoreticaly? Empirical evidence of the responders aside, although I do not doubt their results. The average poker ability of folks here is obviously much higher than the average partypoker player.

[jason_t]

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Is there some way we can look at this question theoreticaly? Empirical evidence of the responders aside, although I do not doubt their results. The average poker ability of folks here is obviously much higher than the average partypoker player.

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However, with study and practice the game is easily beatable.

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[shant]

Why again do we care about the average player? That's why we read books and participate on this forum, to be better than average and win.

Jason_t is fast.

[miajag81]

FWIW, 38% of the 2/4 players in my Pokertracker database are winners.

[jason_t]

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FWIW, 38% of the 2/4 players in my Pokertracker database are winners.

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You have serious sample size issues here.

[CallMeIshmael]

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FWIW, 38% of the 2/4 players in my Pokertracker database are winners.

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Though I agree that the true number is > 5%, anyone's PT db is skewed towards winning players, as losing players tend to:

- 1 table
- Bust out