Flop bottom set and there's a likely straight on the turn

#1 10-19-2005, 12:48 AM

Pretty new to the table, game seemed loose aggressive, so no real reads yet on any of the players. I feel OK with how I played preflop, flop and river (but feel free to criticize). Question I have is the for the turn. Should I have check/called on the turn given the likely straight rather than risk the check/raise or is the turn bet still a value bet with my set? Once I was check raised, should I have 3-bet?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

River: (19 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

milesdyson · #2 10-19-2005, 12:50 AM

bleh

you should have check raised the flop, my man,

Aaron W. · #3 10-19-2005, 12:58 AM

Check-raise the flop. Do you really want PFR to blow out the field?

3-bet the turn. I don't give him credit for a straight. He could have K9/Q9/KQ for two pair or some worse top pair hands like AK or KJ. (Looking into the future, I don't think KQ/Q9 actually happened).

#4 10-19-2005, 01:01 AM

Please explain why I should check-raise the flop? With UTG-1 raising pre-flop I thought there was a good chance he would raise me on the flop allowing me to get in three bets.

Weatherhead03 · #5 10-19-2005, 01:01 AM

That is the perfect board and the perfect spot to checkraise the flop. You lost a lot not doing that.

As for the turn. What makes you so scared of the straight. I'd 3-bet turn. If capped i'd check call a blank river and if the river paired then I'd raise.

Weatherhead03 · #6 10-19-2005, 01:02 AM

You want to trap the table. They would all call UTG+1's bets then you would raise and they would all call your bet on top.

#7 10-19-2005, 01:05 AM

By betting and UTG-1 raising and my 3-bets, I got 3 people in for 3 bets. Am I being too results oriented on this hand? Is the thought that most of the time I do this, I get too many folders. It's just that in this case it worked out?

numeri · #8 10-19-2005, 01:07 AM

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By betting and UTG-1 raising and my 3-bets, I got 3 people in for 3 bets. Am I being too results oriented on this hand? Is the thought that most of the time I do this, I get too many folders. It's just that in this case it worked out?

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To your questions: Yes, yes, and yes.

Weatherhead03 · #9 10-19-2005, 01:11 AM

Theres a good chance that by you betting and him raising that the whole table folds, leaving you with UTG and thats it.

LoaferGee12 · #10 10-19-2005, 01:39 AM

Yeah go ahead and 3-bet that turn. He could raise any 2-pair hand here and even if he has a straight you have plenty out outs. If he caps then I think you can give him credit for a better hand and check-call the river barring improvement. If you fill up I'd bet/3-bet the river.