Question about max bet rule in Commerce 40-80

[jdock99]

To keep a long story short me and 2 other players reached the river in a pot where I led the whole way. On the river, another player led out, I raised, the 3rd player in the hand dropped out, the other player re-raised, and I 4 bet.

This is where the hand gets interesting. I had a full house on a board that had an obvious straight and flush on it, but I did not have the nut hand, in fact I had #3. However, the player giving me the action was kind of wild so I felt justified making it 4 bets, partly because I thought my hand might be good, and also because I thought that 4 bets was the max because when the round started there were 3 of us in the hand. As I am sure you can all guess the other player 5 bet his hand. I asked the dealer if this was a legal move, as the round began with 3 players. The dealer nodded yes, I called the 5 bets and lost the hand to the other players nut hand. Of course, I am sure that any of you who have played at Commerce (or any other LA casino) are aware, the dealers in general know absolutely nothing about anything, and this one was worse than normal. I honestly think that she did not understand English, didn't understand a word I said, and just nodded for the same reason we all nod when someone talks to us in a language we do not understand and we really do not want to go to the effort to try to communicate this. This is not to say the dealer may have not accidentally made a correct decision, as even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while.

Anyways, for those of you who have played in this game and may actually know the rule, I was wondering if you could let me know whether this 5 bet was in fact legal, where we were heads-up at the time of the 5 bet, but not at the beginning of the betting round.

Thanks.

[The Dude]

I think as long as the 4-bet isn't the bet that knocks out the 3rd player, there is no cap.

[andyfox]

My understanding is that once the hand becomes head-up, there is no cap, no matter the circumstances.

[mike l.]

if the 3rd player drops out of that round before it's capped then it's no limit on the raises from that moment on. good for the dealer for getting the rule right, many dealers and even some floorpeople get the rule wrong and think you need to wait until the next street.

[Gabe]

Even preflop, once it's heads up there is no limit to the amount of raises the two players can put in. Usually one of the Persian players, not in the hand, will shout "No limit! No limit!" to notify you.

[surfdoc]

This one confuses me preflop. I have seen it go both ways at Oceans 11. So let me get this right. When mike raises some weak limper and I 3 bet today and the limper folds and mike 4 bets I can 5 bet? Sweet.

[Sponger15SB]

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This one confuses me preflop. I have seen it go both ways at Oceans 11. So let me get this right. When mike raises some weak limper and I 3 bet today and the limper folds and mike 4 bets I can 5 bet? Sweet.

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If mike 4 bets preflop he will most certainly 6 bet you.

Just telling you to watch yourself.

[surfdoc]

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This one confuses me preflop. I have seen it go both ways at Oceans 11. So let me get this right. When mike raises some weak limper and I 3 bet today and the limper folds and mike 4 bets I can 5 bet? Sweet.

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If mike 4 bets preflop he will most certainly 6 bet you.

Just telling you to watch yourself.

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Duly noted. Thanks for the concern. BTW, when I decide to 5 bet mike I am almost always praying that he 6 bets.

[mike l.]

you 6 bet me and im folding. no flop no drop so you give me a rebate of $2. deal?

[Klepton]

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Even preflop, once it's heads up there is no limit to the amount of raises the two players can put in. Usually one of the Persian players, not in the hand, will shout "No limit! No limit!" to notify you.

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this is an amazingly true response