2pair vs tight/passive

deepsquat · #1 07-06-2005, 08:20 PM

MP2 is tight passive. Havent played with him enough to know if he would raise this flop with K or A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or TPTK

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

beset7 · #2 07-06-2005, 08:27 PM

I think the turn and river would be easier to play if you 3-bet the flop.

Online247 · #3 07-06-2005, 08:48 PM

Hmm, we can 3 bet the flop for sure, but I'm kinda against pumping up flush draws. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] But man 3-bettign this flop would make the turn so much easier to play. See I would have tried c/r the turn considering the flop play, but based on your read villian might check through and giving freecards is another one of my pet peeves...

I guess leading the turn is fine considering you can fold to a raise. You sure he's tight passive right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't know maybe that's a little weak, but yeah this hand is giving me some headaches.

deepsquat · #4 07-06-2005, 09:14 PM

Definately TP, hes a pokertracker Mouse [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

SlantNGo · #5 07-06-2005, 09:54 PM

If you held AJ here, I would say, "Well played". However, you hold top two pair, and you've got a poor soul trapped in between. Your equity edge on the flop is too high not to 3-bet IMO.

deepsquat · #6 07-06-2005, 10:13 PM

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If you held AJ here, I would say, "Well played". However, you hold top two pair, and you've got a poor soul trapped in between. Your equity edge on the flop is too high not to 3-bet IMO.

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Cool, so if a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits the turn i check call and fold the river w/out a boat?

SlantNGo · #7 07-06-2005, 10:30 PM

Not necessarily. You didn't provide a read on SB so I assume he's loose passive. If SB bets the turn, a read is vital although I may consider folding to a loose-passive.

If SB checks, I would bet here, expecting tight-passive to fold if he doesn't have a diamond. If tight-passive calls, I'll check the river then re-evaluate if he bets. If tight-passive raises, the pot is now big enough to call to draw to your boat.

Duerig · #8 07-06-2005, 11:53 PM

I think that you miss a ton of bets if you don't 3 bet this flop.

deepsquat · #9 07-07-2005, 06:40 AM

MP had 44, not sure about SB

xenthebrain · #10 07-07-2005, 06:41 AM

I play it the same...
You hand is worth value-betting and flopped flushes are rare.
You don't have any reason to think you do not have the best hand at the moment.