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Old 07-25-2005, 12:31 AM
SCfuji SCfuji is offline
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Default this is where i get lost.

1. What limit are you playing?

$22 STT on party

2. What are the blinds (and beginning chip structure)?

Level 5 75/150, 800 chips, 8000 in circulation.

3. How many players remaining?

4

4. What is your stack?

2265

5. What are the stacks of the remaining players and their position?

utg has 905
i have 2265 on the button
sb has 3585
bb has 1245

6. Where do you sit in relation to the blinds?

button

7. Do you have any table reads?

big stack cold calls a lot of 3x-4x bb raises but his reasonable post flop.

8. What has been the action before you?

utg folds

9. How many players remaining to act behind you?

2

10. Are there any relevant pot odds?

not now

11. Will you have position after the flop?

yes

12. Finally, what are your cards?

6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

i dont like going all in with my 2k+ stack at this level. do i raise to 600 to indicate that i have a hand and fold if the big stack goes all in and the bb folds?
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:33 AM
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

I would just standard 3xbb raise and play a flop.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

600 is way too big to raise preflop here. It's like announcing, "I have a decent hand, but I don't want to play a flop". I sometimes raise to 3bb, sometimes only 2.5bb. It's easier to get away from it if sb pushes, or the flop is really bad.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:47 AM
tshort tshort is offline
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

If big blind has been weak post flop then raising to 3x is a good idea. If big blind shows weakness post flop you can take down a big pot.

If your afraid he might be aggressive post flop, then you should push preflop.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:49 AM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

If I'm the SB with these stack sizes, I'm probably pushing with any two cards if you make it 450 to go, unless I have reason to believe you are only raising with TT+.

So I would fold here.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

I change my opinion to push pre-flop. If you raise to 600, the big blind basically has to go allin or fold. I wouldn't want any tough post flop decisions against the big stack in the SB. So, I would push to get SB out, pick up 300 chips, and make it a race for 3rd between 2 small stacks.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

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If I'm the SB with these stack sizes, I'm probably pushing with any two cards if you make it 450 to go, unless I have reason to believe you are only raising with TT+.

So I would fold here.

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But at the 20s, the typical big stack will be afraid of someone with only 1000 more chips, and he'll fold most of the time. I almost never get pushed back in this spot, and a 375 raise takes it down just as often as a 450-500 raise.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:56 AM
Isura Isura is offline
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

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I change my opinion to push pre-flop. If you raise to 600, the big blind basically has to go allin or fold. I wouldn't want any tough post flop decisions against the big stack in the SB. So, I would push to get SB out, pick up 300 chips, and make it a race for 3rd between 2 small stacks.

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I think pushing in this spot is pretty marginal. I'd rather fold.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

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If I'm the SB with these stack sizes, I'm probably pushing with any two cards if you make it 450 to go, unless I have reason to believe you are only raising with TT+.

So I would fold here.

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If I'm small blind and there are two shortstacks, I'm pushing at a medium stack's raise, too. I think almost all twoplustwoers do it. I also think almost nobody who isn't a twoplustwoer does it. Unless he believes the SB to be a very good player, I don't think there's much risk of the SB doing this without a hand.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:56 AM
SCfuji SCfuji is offline
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Default Re: this is where i get lost.

if we change the level to 6 and have the blinds at 100/200 does pushing become the best play?
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