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Old 09-13-2002, 03:45 AM
thesparc thesparc is offline
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Default bad beat or bad play?

Two Hands with comments below...

Seat 1: aevn4 ($90 in chips)
Seat 2: Big Tuna ($142 in chips)
Seat 3: Bubbaloo ($76 in chips)
Seat 4: Thithi ($116 in chips)
Seat 5: Bubblez ($204 in chips)
Seat 6: thesparc ($98 in chips)
Seat 7: dickd ($26 in chips)
Seat 8: jiffyjeff ($42 in chips)
Seat 9: jandeb ($171 in chips)
Seat 10: dead man ($493 in chips)
dead man: Post Small Blind ($1)
aevn4 : Post Big Blind ($2)
Dealing...
Dealt to thesparc [ Td ]
Dealt to thesparc [ Th ]
Big Tuna: Fold
Bubbaloo: Fold
Thithi : Fold
Bubblez : Fold
thesparc: Raise ($4)
dickd : Fold
jiffyjeff: Call ($4)
jandeb : Fold
dead man: Fold
aevn4 : Fold
*** FLOP *** : [ 2d Tc 5d ]
thesparc: Bet ($2)
jiffyjeff: Call ($2)
*** TURN *** : [ 2d Tc 5d ] [ 4d ]
thesparc: Bet ($4)
jiffyjeff: Call ($4)
*** RIVER *** : [ 2d Tc 5d 4d ] [ Qs ]
thesparc: Bet ($4)
jiffyjeff: Raise ($8)
thesparc: Raise ($8)
jiffyjeff: Raise ($8)
thesparc: Call ($4)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $53 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 2d Tc 5d 4d Qs ]
aevn4 lost $2 (folded)
Big Tuna didn't bet (folded)
Bubbaloo didn't bet (folded)
Thithi didn't bet (folded)
Bubblez didn't bet (folded)
thesparc lost $26 (showed hand) [ Td Th ] (three of a kind, tens)
dickd didn't bet (folded)
jiffyjeff bet $26, collected $53, net +$27 (showed hand) [ 3d Kd ] (a flush,
king high)
jandeb didn't bet (folded)
dead man lost $1 (folded)

Seat 1: thesparc ($98 in chips)
Seat 2: coachcat ($29 in chips)
Seat 3: purehellmuth ($161 in chips)
Seat 4: sully76psu ($77 in chips)
Seat 5: studio 54 ($180 in chips)
Seat 7: Jeffer ($305 in chips)
Seat 8: paramon ($14 in chips)
Seat 9: 98530KST ($354 in chips)
Seat 10: mariana ($48 in chips)
paramon : Post Small Blind ($1)
98530KST: Post Big Blind ($2)
Dealing...
Dealt to thesparc [ Jh ]
Dealt to thesparc [ Jd ]
mariana : Fold
thesparc: Raise ($4)
coachcat: Fold
purehellmuth: Fold
sully76psu: Fold
studio 54: Fold
Jeffer : Fold
paramon : Call ($3)
98530KST: Call ($2)
*** FLOP *** : [ 7h 5h 3c ]
paramon : Check
98530KST: Bet ($2)
thesparc: Raise ($4)
paramon : Fold
98530KST: Call ($2)
*** TURN *** : [ 7h 5h 3c ] [ 8s ]
98530KST: Check
thesparc: Bet ($4)
98530KST: Raise ($8)
thesparc: Call ($4)
*** RIVER *** : [ 7h 5h 3c 8s ] [ 2s ]
98530KST: Bet ($4)
thesparc: Call ($4)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $42 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 7h 5h 3c 8s 2s ]
thesparc lost $20 (showed hand) [ Jh Jd ] (a pair of jacks)
coachcat didn't bet (folded)
purehellmuth didn't bet (folded)
sully76psu didn't bet (folded)
studio 54 didn't bet (folded)
jjason didn't bet
Jeffer didn't bet (folded)
paramon lost $4 (folded)
98530KST bet $20, collected $42, net +$22 (showed hand) [ 7s 8h ] (two pair,
eights and sevens)
mariana didn't bet (folded)

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First hand I reraised the river thinking there was a better chance of him having AQ than the flush. (calling two cold w/ a drawing hand when there have been no other callers is bad, no?) Was I overly optimistic and cost myself 2 BBs?

The second hand was a bit more tricky. The other player in the hand is good, definately better than this skill level (He plays all the limits up to 20/40 on PP). I'm thinking maybe I should have folded to his turn check-raise. However, my thinking is that he might do that with several hands which I still beat (86, 76, A8, A7) and I thought the chances of him having 46 for the made straight were pretty slim. Again, was this too loose of a call?
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Old 09-13-2002, 03:50 AM
thesparc thesparc is offline
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Default Re: bad beat or bad play?

Oh, a quick question re: posting etiquette. Is it frowned upon to post entire online hand histories?
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Old 09-13-2002, 04:49 AM
yct yct is offline
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Default Re: bad beat or bad play?

that's life of low limit games where suckout happens quite often...
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Old 09-13-2002, 11:15 AM
davidross davidross is offline
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Default Re: bad beat or bad play?

1) It was suggested to me when I started posting that I should clean up the hand histories and post them in a more "text" fashion. It's up to you, some people don't like to read them in the manner you have posted them.

2) First hand was terribly overplayed on the river I think, but I do believe strongly in trusting your reads, so if you considered the flush, and decided he didn't have it, then it's the right play, and it was a bad read this time. @nd hand you played as well as you could.
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Old 09-13-2002, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: bad beat or bad play?

Some people seem to have a problem with it, but I don't mind. The way I see it, the people who complain about it aren't going to give their best effort to help you either way, since they are too lazy to read hand histories.
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Old 09-13-2002, 01:50 PM
hutz hutz is offline
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Default Re: bad beat or bad play?

hand 1: You caught a tough break with the guy making his flush. However, you compounded the problem by 3-betting the river. If someone raises me on the river, I need to be very certain of my read to come over the top of 'em.

hand 2: Another tough break, but I think you played it fine. Maybe I'm too tight in the blinds, but do y'all regularly play 87o against a non-steal raise getting 5:1 on your call? I rarely do.
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Old 09-13-2002, 07:58 PM
KJS KJS is offline
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Default Re: bad beat or bad play?

Since the poster is the one soliciting the help, wouldn't it follow that they should be less lazy? I for one don't pay as much attention to hands in this format. I think the narrative style lends itself better to following the action, with seat assignments ("the cut-off raised"), etc.. I know there are others like me. I think if people want your posts to be read by a big audience they should clean them up.

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