This is the end

[shawn_p]

Please try to follow this logic.

Card dealers are a part of the service industry.

Waiters, waitresses, doormen, valet, chauffeurs, pizza delivery men, bartenders, etc…… are all part of the service industry.

Each occupation requires approximately the same level of job skills, experience, intelligence, and competency.

Waiters, waitresses, doormen, valet, cab driver, pizza delivery men, bartenders, etc…… who are all part of the service industry receive a nominal wage and are encouraged to do and exceptional job through the custom of gratuities offered by patrons.

The same applies for card dealers.

There is a customary standard gratuity for those in the food service industry normally paid at a rate of 15%-20% of the total tab or check.

There is a customary standard gratuity for those in the “patron service” industry such as: doormen, valet, cab driver, bartenders, and I argue that card dealers fit into this category of the “service industry”. A dollar is an accepted and adequate gratuity for services rendered.

A doorman open the door to your hotel and offers you assistance with you luggage/bags. This action warrants a gratuity of the socially accepted norm of a dollar.

A valet parks your car for you and has it ready for you at the end of a show. This action warrants a gratuity of the socially accepted norm of a dollar.

A cab driver picks you up at the airport and takes you to your hotel. This action warrants a gratuity of the socially accepted norm of a dollar.

A bartender serves you a drink. This action warrants a gratuity of the socially accepted norm of a dollar.

A poker dealer deals you a winning hand. This action warrants a gratuity of the socially accepted norm of a dollar.

The frequency of gratuity is directly related to the quantity of gratuity.

The amount of gratuity is directly related quality of service based on: skill, accuracy, courtesy, friendliness, etc.

A card dealer happens to deal a “bad beat jackpot” hand and a patron wins a substantial amount of money. This certain card dealer who is a part of this sector of the “patron service” industry believes that he is entitled to more than his/her customary dollar gratuity, although his “customary gratuity” is extended based upon his skill, accuracy, and attitude while dealing cards.

No extra skill was involved in dealing this particular hand.

Waiters, waitresses, doormen, valet, cab drivers, pizza delivery men, bartenders, etc…… don’t have bad beat jackpots, yet they work equally as hard at a similar occupation with similar demands.1

Why should card dealers periodically benefit substantially from the luck of patrons who hit a bad beat and receive more than their fair share?
What substantial extra skill (which would merit substantially greater gratuity)_was involved when dealing that particular hand?

[juanez]

More of this? And you post it in B&M, NVG and OOT?

Let it go man, let it go.... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Tacjedi]

I wouldn’t tip a dealer a substantially larger amount if I won a bad beat jackpot, just a little bit larger. However the dealer’s skill has as little to do with you winning a jackpot as does your skill. If skill is the only reason one should benefit from winning a bad beat jackpot then the fact that you didn’t have enough skill to not play a losing hand then you really shouldn’t get the jackpot either.

It seems that some of you forget that poker dealers are people too. Poker is a social game, and the dealer is part of that social element as well. I see the same dealers day in and day out. Anytime you spend hours upon hours with some of the same people you really should start to look at them as acquaintances if not friends. I do not over tip the dealers. I only send them a dollar or two if I win a pot, but I am always polite and thank them. I am not the jerk that throws the toke at them or bitches that my pot was too small to be giving them tip, and it is for this that they treat me kindly as well. If I encounter a dealer outside of the casino they always say hi. They offer to buy me drinks. It doesn’t hurt to have friends.

If you guys only care about hourly rates and +EV then lock yourselves up in a dark room somewhere and play on the internet. That way you can avoid having a soul, and the horror of interacting with people in a positive way.

[Frequitude]

You're a douche.

If I won, I'm pretty sure I'd push the dealer my stack (3/6 mind you) and toss the floorman & lovely cage ladies a couple blacks.

Then I'd go hit up the special men-only "spa" that sits right next door to my cas.

[jordanx]

Yes, what a strange and illogical society we live in.

You usually tip a cabby or a valet a couple of bucks though, but regardless, if you don't want to tip, you don't have to.

We didn't design our culture to have tips pay salaries of service industry employees, it evolved that way. It might not make sense, but here is the rule of thumb:

If you don't tip an adequate amount, you are a dick. Okay, so that is the penalty for undertipping in our society, being a dick.

It makes no sense to complain about tipping or try and change the system or to make sense of the system, you either live within it or you go against it and accept the consequences (aquiring the dick label).

Hell, you might even be able to mitigate the penalty by being extra nice, but probably not by much, you will be a friendly dick, which is likely better than a belligerent dick in perception.

In conclusion, our culture has evolved to neccesitate tipping of service people to compensate for smaller salaries (maybe because of Capitalism, who cares). If you undertip or do not tip, you will be labeled a dick and people will treat you accordingly. You can choose to accept this reality and move on with your life, or dwell on it by constantly bitching about it to everyone all the time. Thank you for your time.

[RydenStoompala]

So what? Am I missing something? What does this have to do with you stiffing a cab driver for a lowball douchebag tip on an airport run? Who gives a rat's arse if you tip larger on a bad beat jackpot? Some people (like me) would probably spread it around a little more but there are others (you) who feel that people in the service industry should know their place. Good on you. Now go hit your gardner with a rake. I just saw him drinking out of the hose without permission.

Oh...don't ever confuse tightass idiocy with logic. Many of the readers of this forum know the difference.

[Photoc]

Didn't this get posted like 3 zillion times already by the rest of the cheapskates on the board? Let it drop. Why do you trolls continue to rant and rave about dealers. DONT [censored] PLAY if its that bad and is eating into your income. [censored], it eats into our income to deal with cheap 2/4 World poker tour wannabes every day of the weak. You dont see every dealer coming on here and crying about not making enough. Why? Because we're not whiny little bitches like some of the people on here.

[Chipr777]

NIT

[The_Tracker]

You stiff.

Being a dealer, it so refreshing to hear comments from players like yourself.

It doesn't matter if it's poker, or the pit games, a dealers tips are based on the winnings. If a poker player wins a larger than normal pot, he will usually throw a extra check or two. Conversly, if a player hits for 40 to 1 on the tables as opposed to even money, he will certainly tip more. You are tipping for the money being pushed to you, not the way the dealer pitched your cards to you or lined up the flop.

It is common freaking sense a dealer would expect more from you with a jackpot you dirty fleabag stiff.

Don't come to my joint with your cheap ass.

[ErrantNight]

why should waiters get tipped more when they wait on a wealthy businessman? or hot waitresses get tipped more than fat, ugly ones?

god life is unfair. it sure sucks to be forced to tip out a little extra when i'm raking thousands and thousands of unexpected money.