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Old 07-03-2005, 04:17 PM
baronzeus baronzeus is offline
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Default Semi-bluff raising the turn against a PFR

Both players in here typical.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...
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Old 07-03-2005, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: Semi-bluff raising the turn against a PFR

fold the flop. Turn is fine.

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Old 07-03-2005, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: Semi-bluff raising the turn against a PFR

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fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

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I called with the intention of raising any non-ace turn.
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Old 07-03-2005, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: Semi-bluff raising the turn against a PFR

I would fold preflop. Do you think this is an easy call preflop?
Easy fold on the flop.
Hmmm, on the turn I really don't know, but I wouldn't have made it that far [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-03-2005, 04:55 PM
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fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

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I called with the intention of raising any non-ace turn.

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Then I hate it. I don't make moves like this. It's not even heads up.

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Old 07-03-2005, 04:56 PM
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I would fold preflop. Do you think this is an easy call preflop?

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I call with Kxs if it looks like it will be 4 way.

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Old 07-03-2005, 04:56 PM
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fold the flop. Turn is fine.

Krishan

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I called with the intention of raising any non-ace turn.


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I don't think that kind of "move" is profitable against typical opponents. Typical opponents are too loose and calls with trash. Thats why we seek them out. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-03-2005, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: Semi-bluff raising the turn against a PFR

you're prolly right, but it was a very easy flop/turn to miss.

I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards) and I'm getting 5:1 this is an easy call.
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Old 07-03-2005, 05:01 PM
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you're prolly right, but it was a very easy flop/turn to miss.

I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards) and I'm getting 5:1 this is an easy call.

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no, how many outs are you giving yourself?

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Old 07-03-2005, 05:03 PM
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you're prolly right, but it was a very easy flop/turn to miss.

I think since I'm in the BB and most typical players raise preflop with Ax (meaning there's a good chance I've got 2 live cards) and I'm getting 5:1 this is an easy call.

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no, how many outs are you giving yourself?

Krishan

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I'm talking about the preflop call in the second sentence.

But I think representing a queen by raising this turn did 2 things. 1) pushed out mid pair and 2) makes A high fold
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