Free showdown raise?

krishanleong · #1 08-07-2005, 07:59 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises

Villian is 44/7/1.4/36 over 122. No reads on what a donk bet means.

Krishan

wrto4556 · #2 08-07-2005, 08:26 PM

i dont like this one. Your hand doesnt have much showdown value.

I would probably fold the flop.

tizim · #3 08-07-2005, 08:36 PM

The pot's small, and even if you're currently ahead, he's likely a favorite against you or has many scare cards he can use to push you off A-high. I fold the flop.

ctv1116 · #4 08-07-2005, 09:46 PM

could someone explain the rationale of this? If you're going for a free showdown, just call twice and it costs you the same. Since you don't plan on value betting the river (i guess unless you hit a non spade ace or jack), there's no point in raising the turn, because you might get 3 bet or donkbet on the river.

wackjob · #5 08-07-2005, 10:27 PM

I make this play alot in B&M. If I'm 3bet on the turn, I fold. If I'm bet into on the river w/o inproving I fold. If I catch on the river, I'm betting. I don't use it alot, but if I think there is a chance the other guy is going to fold to my turn raise, I will do it.

wheelz · #6 08-07-2005, 10:39 PM

Look at the board though, I think the chances of him folding to the turn raise are slim to none

krishanleong · #7 08-07-2005, 11:34 PM

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I'm charging a frisky flush draw.

Krishan

baronzeus · #8 08-07-2005, 11:39 PM

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I'm charging a frisky flush draw.

Krishan

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What if the river brings 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and he bets? I think you have to fold given the action.

7ontheline · #9 08-07-2005, 11:41 PM

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I'm charging a frisky flush draw.

Krishan

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That's the only thing you're charging though - he could easily have paired the board alredy and then you're drawing to tainted outs. Also, even if you are ahead at the moment, it's highly likely he has plenty of outs. This is a -EV play, I think, unless you've got a good read.

dave44 · #10 08-08-2005, 12:54 AM

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What if the river brings 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and he bets? I think you have to fold given the action.

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I don't see how him folding to the worst river card possible should have any bearing on the play.

I played a similar hand the other day. I like the merits of the play. You're not trying to get the guy to fold, although he could do so with a weak made hand, but getting value out of what is likely the best hand because the board is so full of draws.