Cruel cards or lame play

Buccaneer · #1 05-08-2005, 11:49 PM

Reads: Hero has donated 30 BB to table. Hero is tossing junk and trying to be agressive. Hero plays this hand weak because of the table.

UTG: Plays what he is dealt to the flop no matter how hand is played. Will fold to agression (not mine as I have not showed a strong hand in long time)

Table: 5-6 see flop every hand
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

I played weak preflop because raising seems to not reduce the number of players. My plan is to raise if flop hits. Flop misses. I don't fold. The ace is screaming at me but UTG could have anything at this point. Should I have given him credit for an ace? I figure 50 -50.

Mistake or not I think I played properly at the turn.

Comments please.

ewile · #2 05-08-2005, 11:54 PM

This is posted in the wrong forum. It goes in the micro-limit forum.

You Must, Must, Must, Must, Must, Must, Must, Must raise this pre-flop.

pokerrookie · #3 05-09-2005, 12:06 AM

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Reads: Hero has donated 30 BB to table. Hero is tossing junk and trying to be agressive. Hero plays this hand weak because of the table.

UTG: Plays what he is dealt to the flop no matter how hand is played. Will fold to agression (not mine as I have not showed a strong hand in long time)

Table: 5-6 see flop every hand
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

I played weak preflop because raising seems to not reduce the number of players. My plan is to raise if flop hits. Flop misses. I don't fold. The ace is screaming at me but UTG could have anything at this point. Should I have given him credit for an ace? I figure 50 -50.

Mistake or not I think I played properly at the turn.

Comments please.

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Have to raise this preflop. To not borders on FPS, which is not necessary at this level. Who cares if noone folds to your raise? In fact, that is exactly what you want. You are so far ahead here. What if UTG has A2o? If you raise preflop, he will put you on AT, AJ, AQ, AK, if not AA, KK, or QQ. If he is a thinking player, it is far more likely that you would have a non-pair. Thus when you bet out the flop, or reraise the flop, depending on the case, would he fold to his A being outkicked? Probably not, but if he is only betting his pair of nines and hoping you didn't have an A or a better pocket pair, well, surely he folds to aggression here.

I think your 30BB donation has you playing scared here. If you can't raise preflop, and/or reraise this flop, you should take a break.

Is this a way ahead/way behind situation and dare I say, a flop raise for information is in order? It might at least allow you to see a free turn and/or river, if you are still afraid of the A. And perhaps he reraises, and I think you can safely fold. Turn your head when he shows his cards in the event that he was bluffing however. Hate to put you on further tilt.

Final vote: lame play (no offense meant)

Buccaneer · #4 05-09-2005, 12:53 AM

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If he is a thinking player

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I don't think any of them were. I have not been playing that long but long enough to know when I am being beat by thinking player(s). You are correct. I became scared and quit playing.

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Who cares if noone folds to your raise? In fact, that is exactly what you want.

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You are right. I knew, when I clicked call rather than raise that I was done for the night.

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Final vote: lame play (no offense meant)

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none taken.

xxxxx · #5 05-09-2005, 12:11 AM

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Reads: Hero has donated 30 BB to table. Hero is tossing junk and trying to be agressive. Hero plays this hand weak because of the table.

Table: 5-6 see flop every hand
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

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Dude. I play the lowest stakes the casino spreads and I'll donate 30 bucks to the table on one hand every week without thinking about it twice. If this puts you on tilt, it is time to find another game.

Greg J · #6 05-09-2005, 12:22 AM

.5/1 hands go to the micro forum. Go there so we can smack you around accordingly.

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I played weak preflop because raising seems to not reduce the number of players.

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What the hell are you talking about? Why do you want people to fold?

oreogod · #7 05-09-2005, 01:22 AM

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I played weak preflop because raising seems to not reduce the number of players.

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OUCH. This hand makes me want to cry. Okay, seriously...first things first...read SSHE, if u've never read any poker books before start with Ed Millers new beginner one.

2. 30BB, I can understand being distressed a little, but seriously, thats why u have at least a 300 BB bankroll. If u were actually playing good, 30BB is not bad at all. I hit this about 1-3 times a week...but play good its just variance (not so sure that was all it was if we are going by this play)

3. I leave u an example of what happen to me just today...I had a trash hand, would have folded preflop, but AA didnt come in for a raise. Here goes....I wish this had happened at my 15/30 tables. Now granted I should have popped the turn, this guy was a little loose that I thought he might actually have the diamonds, he's pretty solid player and only bets when he has the goods. 3-betting my flop raise was very very rare and defintly meant he was ready to go to war the whole hand with something that could beat my hand. I did not put him on AA. I was more along the lines of Diamond, KT or KJ.

Absolute Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kc 4h (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB.