Question Re Proper Dealing Procedure

[joshdvm]

It drives me crazy when the dealer/player in a home game, out of laziness, or whatever, prematurely deals the flop, turn and river face down before pre-flop action has finished. (A variation on this is when dealer/player prematurely deals a face down turn and river during flop action).

A. Can a player rightfully object to this? Why?

B. What is the most diplomatic way of handling and correcting this?

I think I know the answers to "A," but interested in your thoughts.

As for "B," I'm struggling with that one. (Inherent in the problem is anyone inconsiderate or dense enough to deal this way invariably doesn't take too kindly to friendly correction-"don't tell me how to deal"-- no matter how diplomatically it is presented).

Any input welcome.

Thanks.

[joshdvm]

I guess I could have posted this to the "Don't you hate this?"
thread. I was sure this topic came up before; Didn't realize just how soon, though.

Anyway, answers to "B" still welcome.

[smoore]

The best way is to learn the marks on the cards and then call the turn before it's flipped.

[2+2 wannabe]

there's a thread already about this on the first page

why does it bother you so? the cards are in the same order....maybe you're just being nitty

[smoore]

The only reason there's a burn card is to prevent people from seeing a mark on the back of the next card. It's much less advantageous to know what the next card won't be than to know what it will be. There is no other reason to burn a card in between streets. It's not nitty.

These players need to learn the proper rules of the game. I know some rules have to change for home tourney but there is a reason why the cards shouldn't be dealt on the table.

Try explaining why the cards have to stay on the deck untill required. Do it in a way not to imply cheating.

Say the ace has a small bend in it. All the players know it and if you deal it down too soon, everyone will see it.
Good Luck

[2+2 wannabe]

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The only reason there's a burn card is to prevent people from seeing a mark on the back of the next card. It's much less advantageous to know what the next card won't be than to know what it will be. There is no other reason to burn a card in between streets. It's not nitty.

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That's fair - I didn't realize people in your home games marked the back of the cards.

[KenProspero]

As for "A" as others have posted, the purpose of this rule is because cards may become marked or damaged, and there's less of an edge knowing what the burn card is, than knowing what the turn card is.

As for "B" it really depends on what kind of game you have.

Some games are serious, and people play by the rules of poker. If, for example, your game enforces rules about string bets, etc. You may be able to convince people to do this too.

Other games are more 'bonding' with some poker thrown in. Players of all levels, and unless something is egregious, people ignore it, since everyone just wants to have a good time. In this kind of game some people may think it's 'cool' to deal cards they way they do in a casino. If you can convince people of this, great. Otherwise, if you're in a 'bonding' game, it's probably not worth making an issue of it.

[J.Copperthite]

A) Yes of course this can be objected - for reasons already mentioned about marking and wear on the cards. Observant players can remember certain marks or wrinkles and if they see that that is one of the cards in the five board cards they can use it to their advantage. Keep the flop cards on the deck and use the burn cards between streets to prevent players from using this as an advantage.

B) It is a matter of protecting the game - whether its a group of serious players or a bunch of people who want to just have a good time, you are still dealing with money, and you do not want to give anyone an unfair advantage.