Screwplayed

Roy6 · #1 12-11-2005, 02:43 PM

3rd orbit or so, don't have much read on the villain.
He looks to be on the aggressive side, lots of bets and raises - but haven't seen his cards, he won a lut uncontested.
I always fall for the flop trick. I instantly see KQ, KJs in my opponents hand and proceed to bet.
Can I safely muck this turn?

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.17 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets,

Spicymoose · #2 12-11-2005, 02:46 PM

I am very confused here as well. I think laying down the turn is fine, even though occasionally we are folding the best hand. I just think it costs too much to call down.

Roy6 · #3 12-11-2005, 02:50 PM

what about the flop?

Spicymoose · #4 12-11-2005, 02:52 PM

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what about the flop?

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I have a hard time not betting this flop. Sure we will get screwplayed a fair percentage of the time, but I think giving him a possible free card in a 6 SB pot where he may have 6 outs is bad. If you check, and he improves, you will pay dearly. If you check, and he doesn't improve, he will probably just check fold. Sure, you may get a bluff out of him sometimes, but I don't think it happens enough.

Peter Harris · #5 12-11-2005, 02:54 PM

i fold the turn. i don't fold the flop.

jba · #6 12-11-2005, 02:57 PM

nice hand, this guy is a freak

Roy6 · #7 12-11-2005, 02:59 PM

OK, but in retrospect I have a real hard time putting him on a hand on the flop.
I raise UTG (or MP, 5-handed), he 3-bets in the BB showing enormous strength.
The flop is excellent for any normal 3-betting hand (eg not 89T monotone), yet he checks to me.
I think with KQ or KJ he would push the bet button quite quickly. Of course he could realize that the only way he wins this hand with KQ/KJ/... that he does a strange move.

spydog · #8 12-11-2005, 03:40 PM

I check the flop and call the turn/river against an aggressive player.

I've been experimenting with this line (3-bet pf/cr flop) against decent players who can fold with various holdings because it's so hard to put me on a hand. It seems this line does 2 things for me so far:

1) Gets a lot of folds.
2) Slows down the action quickly if they don't fold.
3) Makes me appear tricky (which I am not 99% of the time).

#9 12-11-2005, 04:45 PM

why are you so hung up on KQ or KJ? why cant it be AK? why can't it be pps less than TT? AJ? i think its a turn fold, unless you want to spend the 2 bbs to find out what he's holding (which i sometimes do, just to get a better read). but the bigger picture is not confining his hand to two options.