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#1
05-08-2005, 08:07 AM
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How do you like this floor ruling?
I'm in first position, and when the river card comes off, everyone checks out of turn. I try to stop the action, and bet, but everyone says that its too late for that. The floor is called, and rules that I should have stopped the action. I argued that they acted out of turn so quickly that I had no chance to stop the action. I did NOT check, and no one disputed that.
Is this a typical floor decision? 
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#2
05-08-2005, 08:46 AM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
Yes.
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#4
05-08-2005, 09:13 AM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
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You say yes it's typical, but I can't tell if you agree with it. If it's heads up on the river and I'm last to act, can I check out of turn and get a free showdown? [/ QUOTE ] Google - Robert's Rules of Poker. Its all right there for you to read. Its the propper ruling. [ QUOTE ] 11. To retain the right to act, a player must stop the action by calling "time" (or an equivalent word). Failure to stop the action before three or more players have acted behind you may cause you to lose the right to act. You cannot forfeit your right to act if any player in front of you has not acted, only if you fail to act when it legally becomes your turn. Therefore, if you wait for someone whose turn comes before you, and three or more players act behind you, this still does not hinder your right to act. [/ QUOTE ] TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#5
05-08-2005, 09:36 AM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
What would you have done if you were the floor manager in this situation?
The problem, it seems is that the first person to check missed the fact that you hadn't bet (as did the dealer). The remaining checkers are somewhat less culpable, though they may not have caught the fact that you hadn't acted, they, in fact acted after the person before them did. Assuming that you did not 'delay' your bid, the real culprit here is the dealer. I don't think the floor can equitably go back at this stage and give you the chance to bet, since you have knowledge about your opponents hands that you your position doesn't entitle you to. Though it doesn't help you with this hand, let me share a way to possibly help in situations like this (knowing full well, I'm going to be off topic). What do you do with respect to tipping dealers? I used to tip a buck or two after winning any significant hand, but lately, I've changed my mind on this. Rather, I tip a buck (I play small games) when I get the button. Though I sometimes get strange looks, I usually say 'for luck' and it's good with everyone. In any event, here's my theory -- I'm really tipping for service. Specifically, keeping the game moving, correct calls, etc. Whether I win or not really shouldn't affect the dealers livlihood. Also, this has a self-correcting effect. If the dealer is slow, I get the button less, and he gets fewer tips. Now -- getting back to your situation. I if a dealer screwed up a hand and I feel it was to my detriment, I would decline to tip. Theory -- I haven't received the service. Further, is this a casino that pools tips (I sort of assume they all do). If so, I may go a few orbits without tipping (though I doubt I'd get punitave about this). At the end of the day, I think this method is overall fairer to dealers, and rewards service, which is what I think tipping is about.
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#7
05-08-2005, 03:22 PM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
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Further, is this a casino that pools tips (I sort of assume they all do). [/ QUOTE ] They all don't. I don't know of any cardrooms up here (seattle area) that pool tips for poker. Im sure there's some. But not the one's I've played in. b
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#8
05-08-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
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everyone checks out of turn. I try to stop the action, and bet, but everyone says that its too late for that. [/ QUOTE ] How many players acted behind you? For instance, I can't imagine that 7 players managed to check in turn and you "had no chance" to stop them.
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#9
05-08-2005, 10:42 PM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
That's why I raised it as a question -- if they don't pool tips, then it's grossly unfair to hold it against the next dealer because the previous dealer screwed you.
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#10
05-08-2005, 11:08 PM
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Re: How do you like this floor ruling?
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For instance, I can't imagine that 7 players managed to check in turn and you "had no chance" to stop them. [/ QUOTE ] I can believe 7 players checking out of turn. It's a snowball effect - it only takes 2 seconds. I see it all the time. I do it myself sometimes becasue I usually key off of the person on my right - I wait for him. So if he's out of line, I am too. That's why I think the "time" rule is missing the point. It implies the UTG player is taking an extra long time to make a decision and therefore needs to call time. It's really just inattentive players who aren't aware who's in the hand. The funny part is I've seen it a lot, but never saw the floor called over because of it. The players are usually yelled at by the dealer for acting oout of turn.
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