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#1
10-20-2005, 09:43 AM
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AA gets donkraised
Eurobet 1/2 6-max game. The game is pretty meh but all the games are meh in the early afternoon on the skins since the split. I don't know villain other than from about 2 and a half orbits since I sat down where I observed nothing worth mentioning. He hasn't donkraised in that time so I don't know what it means. Effective stacks are $200
UTG folds, Villain limps UTG+1, CO folds, I make it $8 to go on the button with AA, blinds fold, villain calls. Flop: K93r ($19) check, check, I bet $15, BB folds, villain raises to $30 (this is a donkraise-- check/minraising a flop bet from the preflop raiser), I call. Turn K ($79) He bets $50, I fold. 
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#2
10-20-2005, 09:51 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
Easy fold I think. Easy at least sitting here typing. Probably harder against an unknown. A turn lead after a donk raise usually means big hand. Sometimes you'll get donkraised by a guy on a draw but the board is pretty raggedy so I doubt that is the case here.
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#3
10-20-2005, 10:00 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
Fold is good. I think he was testing you with K-Q here. I had almost the identical hand happen to me a couple weeks ago (very similar flop and all). I got donk c/mr'ed and called not really certain what was going on (it seemed obvious to me that I was representing a big hand and he wasn't worried about it). The turn was a blank and he bet the rest of his stack which was just over the pot. I thought about it and finally folded. He showed K-Q and types in the chat, "no bluff, I had it." Whatever. Point is, I've been seeing a lot of these donk m/r with scared top pair hands. So I think one way or the other you're probably beat. And with top pair of kings pairing up, aces are real marginal now. This hand is obviously going to get expensive, so I prefer to just fold.
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#4
10-20-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
I think the turn fold is pretty obvious as now I can't beat anything but the highly unlikely 93 or weirdly played underpair. I kind of expected people to tell me to fold to the donkraise but I think I see TPGK a lot of the time from those. The real hidden agenda of my post was to get the term "donkraise" into the SSNL lexicon....
As a tangent, let's say that the turn card is a 5, what do you do if: a) villain leads for 2/3 pot? b) villain checks? How about if the turn was a Q-T?
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#5
10-20-2005, 10:27 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
I kind of expected people to tell me to fold to the donkraise but I think I see TPGK a lot of the time from those. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. </font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> The real hidden agenda of my post was to get the term "donkraise" into the SSNL lexicon.... [/ QUOTE ] I love it. </font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> a) villain leads for 2/3 pot? [/ QUOTE ] Probably call. Much closer than when the king hits. </font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> villain checks? [/ QUOTE ] Check behind and call up to a PSB on the river with a non-scare card. If he checks the river I value bet. What are your answers?
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#6
10-20-2005, 10:32 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I kind of expected people to tell me to fold to the donkraise but I think I see TPGK a lot of the time from those. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. [ QUOTE ] The real hidden agenda of my post was to get the term "donkraise" into the SSNL lexicon.... [/ QUOTE ] I love it. [ QUOTE ] a) villain leads for 2/3 pot? [/ QUOTE ] Probably call. Much closer than when the king hits. [ QUOTE ] villain checks? [/ QUOTE ] Check behind and call up to a PSB on the river with a non-scare card. If he checks the river I value bet. What are your answers? [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. I would only add that the queen is my biggest scare scare, with the jack being second in line. I think a lot of donks will have K-Q in this situation, so I'm praying for no queen to hit. If a queen hits the turn and he leads out for 2/3 the pot or more, I probably fold without a good read.
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#7
10-20-2005, 11:31 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
I think we need a definitive dictionary of donk.
Can we have definitions for these in the FAQ? Donkbet Donkpush Donkraise Donkfest Donkathon Donktastic Donkarama Donkified Donk 'n' Go - (the 5+1 SNG's at Party?)
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#9
10-20-2005, 11:58 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
By reraising, couldnt you scare off something like KJo though?
I think I prefer just calling on the flop and reevaluate (what does that mean anyway?) on a safe looking turn. Ojo_Rojo
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#10
10-20-2005, 11:58 AM
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Re: AA gets donkraised
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
why not re-raise his donkraise to 60? If he calls, i'm checking the turn and maybe calling a small river bet. [/ QUOTE ] I thought about this..I dont like it. I think it is borderline chip spewing. A 3 bet is probably going to fold out hands you want to keep in the pot.
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