How badly did I shank this TPTK?

afreeman · #1 10-05-2005, 03:51 AM

Just sat down; villan is 33/13 and BB is about 24/6, both over only 6 hands, so no real data.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($21.80)
UTG ($25.85)
Hero ($31.70)
MP1 ($15.70)
MP2 ($0)
MP3 ($24.70)
CO ($33.35)
Button ($29.80)
SB ($25.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

--> I just called, but I don't think a re-raise here would have been a terrible mistake. Thoughts?

Flop: ($9.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets $7, Hero raises to $14,

--> Should I have just pushed or folded right here? I don't have any real data to work with, but I wasn't at this point quite willing to give BB credit for having the best hand.

Button calls $26.80 (All-In), BB folds,

--> Clear fold? I'm figure I'm probably beat at this point, but i'm getting about 5:1, so I need 4 outs. I've probably got two against a set and 5 against two pair.

Hero calls $12.80.

Turn: ($69.70) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($69.70) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $69.70

So how did I screw this up?

#2 10-05-2005, 04:08 AM

Villian had AA, right? Not many hands will re-raise here except AA, KK or AK. So probably best you can hope for here is a split... but I say you're way behind here without a read. I'd fold the flop bet, and I don't like calling the PF re-raise with AK either as it's likely dominated... that's my opinion.

Benholio · #3 10-05-2005, 04:55 AM

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--> Clear fold? I'm figure I'm probably beat at this point, but i'm getting about 5:1, so I need 4 outs. I've probably got two against a set and 5 against two pair

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Well, you only have 5 outs against 2 pair if kings aren't one of the pairs, in which case you'd have 3. There are 9 ways to make 2 pairs without the king (Q7), and 12 ways to make it with a king (K7 and KQ). Also, KQ is a much more likely holding than the other 2. Against most likely 2 pair hands, you have 3 outs, which isn't enough.

Against a set, you are drawing to runner-runner, not 2 outs. Pairing your king just fills him up.

afreeman · #4 10-05-2005, 11:19 AM

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Well, you only have 5 outs against 2 pair if kings aren't one of the pairs, in which case you'd have 3. There are 9 ways to make 2 pairs without the king (Q7), and 12 ways to make it with a king (K7 and KQ). Also, KQ is a much more likely holding than the other 2. Against most likely 2 pair hands, you have 3 outs, which isn't enough.

Against a set, you are drawing to runner-runner, not 2 outs. Pairing your king just fills him up.

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I largely discounted big pairs (AA, KK and QQ) because he didn't reraise preflop (although many people do try to trap in that situation). This is the $25 buyin game at party, so I figured probably K7s, Q7s, KQ, Kx, Qx, or perhaps 77.

As it turns out, villan had KQ for top two pair.

Anyway, it appears I just overplayed this and need to learn when to get away from TPTK.