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how to play this TT on scary flop
UB 2/4$, hero has T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in MP
fold, hero riases,fold, button calls,rest fold FLOP:K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I bet ,button raises, i call TURN:5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] i check, he bets, i call what can i do here,if he bet a flush draw im gone,if he has k or j im gone, River:J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] i check, he bets ,i call, i really think i must fold here,i mean chances are he has to be beating me, any other way i could have played this hand better? |
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
I fold the flop,
fold the turn, then fold the river. edit: calling turn is ok with 4 flush. missed that. |
#3
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
Any reads?
He raises you on the flop with a hand that beats you, or a flush draw, or an oesd, unless you have specific reads. When the flush gets there on the turn, you're probably behind, and hope he has a J or K, or lower flush than a T, counting on your flush draw only. With an oesd, he probably checks behind. I fold the river. (again, unless reads suggest otherwise) |
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
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I fold the flop, <font color="red"> flush draw, oesd -> I probably call planning on calling a safe turn </font> fold the turn, <font color="red"> you have a flush draw, good against any J or K, or better yet, an oesd that gets there but gives you the flush</font> then fold the river. edit: calling turn is ok with 4 flush. missed that. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
he could be semibluffing, true.
but i think it's far more likely that he coldcalled with a hand like KJ, QJ, K9, JT, etc.. and out flopped you. if you call down to defend against the semi-bluff, when he's not semi-bluffing you're paying all the way with only 2 outs. if he is semi-bluffing he has even more outs than normal as his pair outs are probably good. it's a small pot and you're either a big underdog or slightly ahead (for example, against QT it's about 55/45). fold the [censored] flop. i have problems with respecting raises from aggro tards and calling down light but this is an easy fold. |
#6
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
i dunno about folding the flop ,you see guys raise with crap all the time v a pfr to try to get a free turn card,
so folding this flop is standard? |
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
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he could be semibluffing, true. but i think it's far more likely that he coldcalled with a hand like KJ, QJ, K9, JT, etc.. and out flopped you. if you call down to defend against the semi-bluff, when he's not semi-bluffing you're paying all the way with only 2 outs. if he is semi-bluffing he has even more outs than normal as his pair outs are probably good. it's a small pot and you're either a big underdog or slightly ahead (for example, against QT it's about 55/45). fold the [censored] flop. i have problems with respecting raises from aggro tards and calling down light but this is an easy fold. [/ QUOTE ] I underestand you reasoning, but I don't think that folding the flop, if correct, is that easy. He may have a pair, or a draw. We do have a pair, and two weak backdoors. The pot is not small as we are getting 8.5 to 1. I do agree that if he is not ahead, he has many outs against us as well, diminishing our equity. But I don't think it's a clear flop fold. I'm on a restricted computer right now so I can't stove it, but if it's a -EV call, I don't think it's by much. I'd like to hear more on the flop play though. |
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
I would fold the flop.
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
I peel this flop. Backdoor flush and straight draws are fun.
Then I'm calling the turn. I think you can probably fold the river. |
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Re: how to play this TT on scary flop
You're getting 8.5:1 with 2 (Tens)+ 1.5 (backdoor FD) + 1 (backdoor straightdraw) = 4.5 outs
Maybe not all of them are clean, but combined with implied odds this a call IMO. I think I fold the river. |
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