Bail on the river?

J. Stew · #1 09-03-2005, 01:53 AM

Second orbit at a loose table, had Aces three hands ago utg, had five cold calls.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO folds.

River: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

istewart · #2 09-03-2005, 01:56 AM

I'd just chuck this on the flop. It being checked to the CO makes it tempting to check/raise IMO but the reverse-implied odds are too great to continue (assuming your hand is best).

#3 09-03-2005, 02:00 AM

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I'd just chuck this on the flop. It being check to the CO makes it tempting to check/raise IMO but the reverse-implied odds are too great to continue (assuming your hand is best).

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My thoughts also. No Q, J, or [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is folding the flop. Let alone the odd A or K. Your hand can't really improve except to 2 outs really. Besides, being at such a loose table you can wait for better opportunities.

As played the river is a fold.

J. Stew · #4 09-03-2005, 02:04 AM

I think I would've folded to a non-c/o bet, I agree the c/r is borderline, but soooooo good ha ha.

Do you think utg's flop call means flush draw enough, along with the overcard on the river to consider check/folding the river?

istewart · #5 09-03-2005, 02:07 AM

Yeah I would fold the river in a second.

aces_dad · #6 09-03-2005, 02:43 AM

As played I agree to fold the river.

What about trying a Clarkmeister on the river?

J. Stew · #7 09-03-2005, 02:49 AM

clarkmeister is . . .?

istewart · #8 09-03-2005, 02:51 AM

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As played I agree to fold the river.

What about trying a Clarkmeister on the river?

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Ah, good catch. Still, UTG's flop cold-call is troublesome. Either he was on a flush draw, or he has a queen or a jack. It seems if he has the latter he might be intent on showing it down.

aces_dad · #9 09-03-2005, 02:54 AM

If he's willing to call down with those hands then, agreed, we're in trouble either way.

If hero's willing to put one bet into the river I do think bet/fold has a better chance than check/call of winning here.