AA PP 15/30 does anyone fold here?

donger · #1 04-19-2005, 03:29 PM

I was horribly confused on this hand, and I think I outthought myself. Villain hadn't shown any real aggression throughout the whole session, although I had only observed him for 30 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Demana · #2 04-19-2005, 03:31 PM

You folded the turn because you figured that he knew you had AA because of the limp reraise preflop and he kept betting into you?

einbert · #3 04-19-2005, 03:32 PM

You realize he'll very possibly play AK this way right?

I would raise the turn and fold to a three-bet.

imported_CaseClosed326 · #4 04-19-2005, 03:32 PM

I think this is very bad. I would raise the turn. Looks like he has a-k IMO.

einbert · #5 04-19-2005, 03:33 PM

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he knew you had AA because of the limp reraise preflop

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Limp reraises don't get a ton of respect at the 15/30. They'll probably suspect you have a high PP, but they won't give you credit for it right off.

donger · #6 04-19-2005, 03:35 PM

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You realize he'll very possibly play AK this way right?

I would raise the turn and fold to a three-bet.

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I realize that now. I'm having trouble adjusting to the levels of aggression in the middle limits. I find myself calling losers and folding winners.

He played the hand so passively PF that I thought he might continue to play passively, esp after I raised his lead bet on the flop.

jzpiano14 · #7 04-19-2005, 03:44 PM

terrible play....at the minimum call down, but I would raise the turn

pfkaok · #8 04-19-2005, 03:56 PM

30 hands of seeing him be not overly aggressive doesn't mean that he MUST have AA beaten to bet on the turn.

Also, he might have something like KT, K8, or T8, which you'd have quite a bit of outs against... so i don't know if i like raise and fold to 3bet, b/c he might well 3 bet with 2 pair, and you'd have enough outs to call on that.

donger · #9 04-19-2005, 03:57 PM

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terrible play....at the minimum call down, but I would raise the turn

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Agreed.

einbert · #10 04-19-2005, 03:59 PM

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Also, he might have something like KT, K8, or T8, which you'd have quite a bit of outs against... so i don't know if i like raise and fold to 3bet, b/c he might well 3 bet with 2 pair, and you'd have enough outs to call on that.

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This is a good point.

This factor makes the turn very difficult to play, with the player behind you still to act. Are you leaning towards just calling down the whole way?

What about raising the turn, calling a three-bet and folding the river UI?