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Old 08-28-2005, 05:41 AM
gh9801 gh9801 is offline
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Default AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

PP 30+3
2nd hand of the tourney so no reads. I have 1000. Blinds 10/15

UTG limps, UTG+3 limps (1150t), MP limps, MP2 limps, Hero with 1000t behind and AsAd in CO raises to 135. SB calls (1000t), UTG+3 calls. Three to the flop

Flop 9s6s5h

SB checks, UTG+3 pushes, Hero..
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Old 08-28-2005, 06:08 AM
bmxreed36 bmxreed36 is offline
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

Hero calls. Seriously on the 2nd hand in a 30+3, the range of hands that unknown villian may play this way include any pair, whether pocket pair or paired with the board, any kind of straight draw including a gutshot, a flush draw, a total bluff, and occasionally a hand that has you beats you (but why wouldn't he check-raise?). Against this range, you're a nice favorite. No way do I consider folding for more than .05 seconds.
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:13 AM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

As much as I hate to do it, I fold here. The str8, flush and possible sets take me off the hand. Yes, there's a very good chance you're ahead but do you risk it all here? Not me.
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

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As much as I hate to do it, I fold here. The str8, flush and possible sets take me off the hand. Yes, there's a very good chance you're ahead but do you risk it all here? Not me.

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The straight is possible but unlikely, as are sets. Why would he push with these hands? He'd have been more likely to bet an amount the flush draw might overpay for.

As for shying away from the semi-bluff flush draw, this is EXACTLY the hand you want to see here (and the one I'd most expect).

call
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:34 AM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

I totally suspect you're correct Mick. I'm just a big wuss, I fold my AA and we never get to see what he had. Three hands later I make a set of nines and break the same guy
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:39 AM
runout_mick runout_mick is offline
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

Point taken, lol. I just won't be bullied here, if I win this hand the rest of the table knows that I'll defend what's mine and not be as likely to pull this crap. If I don't win here, I don't have to worry about my table image...

win/win?
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Old 08-28-2005, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

I also would not be surprised to see him play 10s/Js this way early in a tourney - limp PF, call the late position PFR and then fire at any flop where he has an overpair. The pot is already 1/2 his remaining stack, so he just pushes to kill any potential draws - especially if he put you on overcards.

I call here, try to double up early against a donk. If I get shown a set, then I type in NH and register for another one.

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Old 08-28-2005, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

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Yes, there's a very good chance you're ahead but do you risk it all here? Not me.

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all day, every day, and twice on Sundays. There is no fold here and you're never going to convince me differently short of him exposing a hand that beats me. This is exactly the type of situation we're looking for when we have AA. So often we get no action and now that we do get action on AA, we're not going to shy away from it. Put the chips in there and hope for no spade. There are just too few hands that he would play this way that we are beat by.
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:33 AM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

Hero calls.

I don't see him on a set or two-pair here. His most likely hand is that he paired the board or is on a flush draw. You're ahead here about 95% of the time. Call and hope for red cards.
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Old 08-28-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: AA facing huge flop overbet on the 2nd hand

This is a big-time call, considering it is the very start of a 30+3.
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