A7s - judgement

#1 12-02-2005, 01:45 PM

BB is ridiculously loose. Something like 71/12/0.8. She clearly has a very low regard for money. Any pair looks good to her. Can I be raising this turn for value?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (13.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Fat Nicky · #2 12-02-2005, 01:57 PM

Raising the turn is foolish. You need 5 or more players butting in the same amount as you for this raise to be for value. Even if the SB calls 2 cold and everyone else calls for one more big bet, a raise is breakeven at best.

#3 12-02-2005, 02:02 PM

Thanks. I'm glad I went with my instinct on this one then.
Also, I think my flop call might be incorrect...

#4 12-02-2005, 02:09 PM

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Also, I think my flop call might be incorrect...

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It sure is. Not counting the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], you have 2 outs to pair your ace (which may not be the best hand as someone could've made two pair or hold a better kicker, and even if it is, someone could easily draw out on you on the river). You're basically chasing a backdoor flush draw. That's expensive.

And I wouldn't be caught dead cold-calling with Axs. From the BB? Sure. This, however, is a surefire way to bleed money in the long run.

Fat Nicky · #5 12-02-2005, 02:16 PM

meh...if it's a mistake, it's a really small one. I don't mind it so much here since we are closing the action.

#6 12-02-2005, 02:21 PM

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And I wouldn't be caught dead cold-calling with Axs. From the BB? Sure. This, however, is a surefire way to bleed money in the long run.

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I am pretty much guaranteed 6:1 or better on my money here, as there are already a lot of limpers.

Fat Nicky · #7 12-02-2005, 02:24 PM

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And I wouldn't be caught dead cold-calling with Axs. From the BB? Sure. This, however, is a surefire way to bleed money in the long run.

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A) Hero called from the CO, not the CO, and he was correct to do so in a multiway pot.

B) not calling from the BB in similar circumstances is a huge mistake getting huge odds.

#8 12-02-2005, 02:30 PM

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And I wouldn't be caught dead cold-calling with Axs. From the BB? Sure. This, however, is a surefire way to bleed money in the long run.

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I am pretty much guaranteed 6:1 or better on my money here, as there are already a lot of limpers.

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Playing ace-rag for top pair is, as you know, a very bad idea, so with two suited cards, the odds of me making a flush by the river are 15-to-1 (or 6.4%). Not good enough. I pass. As I wrote, from the BB this is a clear call, but not in the CO. Plus... what if someone three-bets?

#9 12-02-2005, 02:32 PM

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B) not calling from the BB in similar circumstances is a huge mistake getting huge odds.

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Come again? Isn't this exactly what I wrote?

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A) Hero called from the CO, not the CO, and he was correct to do so in a multiway pot.

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Say what now?

#10 12-02-2005, 02:34 PM

Fat Nicky stated that I was correct to call in this multiway pot. I'm now wondering if is in fact correct. I'm more interested in the odds of flopping a flush draw than the odds of completing the flush by the river.