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#1
07-24-2005, 01:44 PM
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I raise
Villain here is 53/17/1.7..
Party 5/10 6 handed fold, I raise K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], fold, fold, SB calls, BB folds. Flop HU: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] check, I bet, call Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] check, I check River: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] bet, I raise..... 
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#5
07-24-2005, 02:09 PM
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Re: I raise
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Perfect. [/ QUOTE ] This play is fine, although i dont see why we wouldnt just bet the turn. You represent a jack on the flop, so this river raise is quite believeable. That said, you could invest the same 2BB here and fire the turn and river, giving him two oppurtunites to fold. Also, most 5-10 players dont like the fold the river after they have bet it with any piece of the board. I like just firing the the turn and river better, but i dont see anything wrong with this play.
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#6
07-24-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: I raise
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[ QUOTE ] Perfect. [/ QUOTE ] This play is fine, although i dont see why we wouldnt just bet the turn. You represent a jack on the flop, so this river raise is quite believeable. That said, you could invest the same 2BB here and fire the turn and river, giving him two oppurtunites to fold. Also, most 5-10 players dont like the fold the river after they have bet it with any piece of the board. I like just firing the the turn and river better, but i dont see anything wrong with this play. [/ QUOTE ] Against this type of opponent checking the turn is much better because he'll almost always fire on the river with anything he has, including hands that he would have folded on the turn. Also, these hands he would have folded on the turn will probably make a wtf? call on the river just to see if hero is bullshitting.
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#7
07-24-2005, 02:13 PM
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Re: I raise
Why do we want him to fold? We don't want a fold; we want to collect bets. I'm quite certain that Bob checked the turn figuring he was more likely to extract 2 (or even 1) bets by checking the turn and betting/raising the river.
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#8
07-24-2005, 02:16 PM
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Re: I raise
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Against this type of opponent checking the turn is much better because he'll almost always fire on the river with anything he has, including hands that he would have folded on the turn. Also, these hands he would have folded on the turn will probably make a wtf? call on the river just to see if hero is bullshitting. [/ QUOTE ] Not trying to be an ass, but how do you get that from 53/17/1.7 over who knows how many hands?
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#9
07-24-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: I raise
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Perfect. [/ QUOTE ] This play is fine, although i dont see why we wouldnt just bet the turn. You represent a jack on the flop, so this river raise is quite believeable. That said, you could invest the same 2BB here and fire the turn and river, giving him two oppurtunites to fold. Also, most 5-10 players dont like the fold the river after they have bet it with any piece of the board. I like just firing the the turn and river better, but i dont see anything wrong with this play. [/ QUOTE ] Against this type of opponent checking the turn is much better because he'll almost always fire on the river with anything he has, including hands that he would have folded on the turn. Also, these hands he would have folded on the turn will probably make a wtf? call on the river just to see if hero is bullshitting. [/ QUOTE ] Justin, i agree with much of your logic here. I think this type of opponent bets the river about 95% of the time. However, i think you will get many more, as you put it, WTF? calls after he has already invested the river than you will is you bet and raise every oppurtunity you have as i advocate. Additionally, the point that he might fold hands to the turn bet which he will now bluff the river with is true, but that isnt neccesarily good for us. If we allow him to hit any pair with his BS hand, or convince him ace high is good, he will showdown. Given the number of bets in the pot, giving yourself the best chance to win the pot is far more important than getting bets so you can re-bluff raise someone IMO. Gabe
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#10
07-24-2005, 02:32 PM
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Re: I raise
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Perfect. [/ QUOTE ] This play is fine, although i dont see why we wouldnt just bet the turn. You represent a jack on the flop, so this river raise is quite believeable. That said, you could invest the same 2BB here and fire the turn and river, giving him two oppurtunites to fold. Also, most 5-10 players dont like the fold the river after they have bet it with any piece of the board. I like just firing the the turn and river better, but i dont see anything wrong with this play. [/ QUOTE ] Against this type of opponent checking the turn is much better because he'll almost always fire on the river with anything he has, including hands that he would have folded on the turn. Also, these hands he would have folded on the turn will probably make a wtf? call on the river just to see if hero is bullshitting. [/ QUOTE ] Justin, i agree with much of your logic here. I think this type of opponent bets the river about 95% of the time. However, i think you will get many more, as you put it, WTF? calls after he has already invested the river than you will is you bet and raise every oppurtunity you have as i advocate. Additionally, the point that he might fold hands to the turn bet which he will now bluff the river with is true, but that isnt neccesarily good for us. If we allow him to hit any pair with his BS hand, or convince him ace high is good, he will showdown. Given the number of bets in the pot, giving yourself the best chance to win the pot is far more important than getting bets so you can re-bluff raise someone IMO. Gabe [/ QUOTE ] I think you're misreading the board. Hero hits the second nut flush on the turn and his hand is invulnerable to anthing other than the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or the relatively unlikely rivered full house.
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