Poor Blacks and entitlement culture

One basic problem in this country is that politicians create a culture where balcks are told they are the victims. They are told that they cant do anything without governemnt help. The democrats use this message to gain 90% of their vote. Bottom line if you keep relying on the government you will stay poor.

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I always ask for extra sour cream on my burritos at Taco Bell.

[Richard Tanner]

Haha don't be too quick to whip out the "Taco Bell" hijack. The OP has a point, albeit a stupid and unthoughtout point.
But in typing this I realized I have neither the interst nor the creativity to make fun of his post in a way befiting the pointlessness of the post itself, so I like Nachoes bel Grande personally.

Cody

[andyfox]

"balcks are told they are the victims. They are told that they cant do anything without governemnt help. The democrats use this message to gain 90% of their vote."

A couple of specific examples, please? Thanks.

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An examination of the Bush Family fortune and their sucking at the public tit for generations makes this statement good for another laugh.
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[Khern]

Not exactly a specific example, but in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals", Sowell draws a picture (using lots of facts) of today's black culture as a mirror of several specific white cultures that were basically transplanted intact from poorly organised regions in Europe.

He argues that blacks in the north assimilated into that culture very well, while those in the south were hindered by a culturally poor white population, a population which itself has largely moved on.

He also says that today's liberals argue for the value of culture independant of what that culture has been shown to produce, and in doing so tie today's blacks to a culture adopted from yesterday's southern white immigrants.

I'm sure I have not really done justice to his position. The book is well worth reading.

John

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You'll have to explain your authors position better. But let me just say that a person born to an ignorant parent or parents who don't value education and who grows up in a crime infested neighborhood and who goes to a bottomed out school has very little chance of breaking out of his/her predictament. Perhaps 10% of those people are extraordinary enough to elevate themselves to a better life. Blaming the other 90% for just being average is fairly ignorant. Do you critisize the 90% of middle class offspring who don't retire as millionaires?

[Khern]

Thomas Sowell writes that the culture of most blacks in America today was adopted from early southern white immigrants who came from one of three places, The northern borderlands of England, the Scottish Highlands, and from Ulster County, Ireland. All three of these were, "fridge areas... turbulant, if not almost lawless, regions." These white people brought with them a certain redneck or cracker culture including traits such as, "proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drukenness, lack of entrepreneurship, reckless searches for exitement, lively music and dance, and a style of flamboyant oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery."

This culture transplanted from a nearly lawless region did not serve whites particularly well, and (in another essay) Sowell notes that at times, in america, there have been, "No Irish Need Apply" signs. But while this culture mostly faded from white populations, it did not fade from black ones, and today, it is often reinforced by white intellectuals (even though, ironically, it is not African) For instance, Sowell writes of speech patterns that have been traced from england that are today recognised as "black English", including words such as "ax" for "ask", "y'awl" for "you", "bile" for "boil", ect...

Sowell goes as far as to say, "White liberals in many roles-as intellectuals, politicians, celebrities, judges, teachers-have aided and abetted the purpetuation of a counterproductive and self-destructive lifestyle amoung black rednecks." He lists a few specifics, but this post is getting long...

Again, there is much more presented, and no doubt present much better, in his book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals. The book has motivated me to reconsider things which I had taken for granted for a long time.
http://www.tsowell.com/

-John

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1) The Hallliburton comment is intellectually lazy. You might just as well have said 'your momma.'

2)About Sowell: Which does he argue is more detrimental to black culture 1)underfunded school districts (compared to their suburban counterparts)with burned out teachers who are intimidated by many of the kids they're trying to teach 2) underfunded, slightly corrupt police departments (compared to their suburban counterparts) 3)white intellectuals who continue to blame Slavery and Jim Crow for inner city failings?

[InchoateHand]

Sowell is such a joke. That this "changed your beliefs" can only lead me to think you are an absolute moron with no insights into more probing questions of "culture" or "history."

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No point arguing with idiots, so I'll just laugh. Besides, the basic education in this [censored] country has failed you so badly that I doubt I'll be able to explain how woefully simplistic and intellectually bankrupt a gimp like Sowell is.