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#1
09-06-2005, 01:35 PM
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I raise, hit a piece, fold the flop
Mp1 is tight and passive.
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (9 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds, SB folds. Torn between raising and folding. Would a tight/passive bet into the pf raiser with less than tp? I felt like he had Ax and if I raised he calls me down the whole way. Final Pot: 5 BB 
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#2
09-06-2005, 01:35 PM
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Re: I raise, hit a piece, fold the flop
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Mp1 is tight and passive. Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (9 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds, SB folds. Torn between raising and folding. Would a tight/passive bet into the pf raiser with less than tp? I felt like he had Ax and if I raised he calls me down the whole way. Final Pot: 5 BB [/ QUOTE ] If he has Ax, do you want to fold?
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#5
09-06-2005, 01:39 PM
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Re: I raise, hit a piece, fold the flop
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well you do have 2pair/trips outs [/ QUOTE ] And getting like 10:1 here, you better be calling for them. Also, it is a well-known fact that donkeys LOVE to bet flush draws. I see no reason at all to fold this flop unless the bettor turned his cards over and showed you a set.
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#6
09-06-2005, 01:41 PM
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Re: I raise, hit a piece, fold the flop
If your read is good then it's a good fold. Notice how vulnerable you are to redraws assuming no one has an Ace.
Meh, maybe I'm a nit, but the best way to beat the tight-passives I play with is not to pay them off. Assuming he's around 16-18% vpip, and <1.5 af, he's not betting a draw on the flop, and he's not going to bet less than top pair into the pfr.
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#9
09-06-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: I raise, hit a piece, fold the flop
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If your read is good then it's a good fold. Notice how vulnerable you are to redraws assuming no one has an Ace. [/ QUOTE ] um its you the flopbettor and the SB redraws aren't a huge concern, since the flopbettor rarely has a FD, outside of the times its Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] .. occasionally you give a gutshot redraw when you hit a K, and ocassional FD redraw when you hit the K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] .. but its not enough to fold here
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#10
09-06-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: I raise, hit a piece, fold the flop
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MP1 isn't a donkey. He's a rock, read the OP more carefully. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, even rocks bet flush draws (and they are capable of being donkeys, too). Getting 10:1 here, you just can't fold this flop. If he leads again on a non-heart turn and our hand doesn't improve, I can find a fold - sure. I just don't agree with folding the flop. It would be terrible.
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