A few tricky stop-and-go's...

handsome · #1 04-01-2005, 11:41 PM

Hand 1:
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (8 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Hand 3:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Hand 4:
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Hand 5:
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 6 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

No reads on opponents.
Should I grow some balls? Comments please

bottomset · #2 04-01-2005, 11:53 PM

first thing you need to learn is that a stopngo doesn't always mean what its representing

normally post 1 or atmost 2 hands a thread ..

hand1:
you played it fine

hand2:
the fold is prob ok, for an average .5/1 oppponent

hand3:
I'd prob still call there

hand4:
don't fold on the river

hand5:
I'd just call the flop, but since you raised call the 3bet, likely fold the river UI

Malachii · #3 04-02-2005, 06:15 AM

Folding hand 4 was a mistake imo.

On hand 5 I think you're probably beat. Still, I think you should call down because a lot of .50-1$ers are erratic players and are difficult to put on hands, and keep in mind you only have to win a small percentage of the time to be +EV.

It's very difficult to balance saving extra bets when you're beat and calling down based on pot size and your winning chances. This is something that I've been working on and am improving at, but I still make my share of poor laydowns and poor calldowns.

Keep in mind that while folding in large pots when you're obviously beat is one thing, folding when you have a reasonable shot at winning is something else entirely. Also keep in mind that if your opponents see that they can push you off hands, they'll start to play trickier both in this session and further down the line. You want them docile - like lambs. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

cmwck · #4 04-02-2005, 06:43 AM

Nobody is stopping-and-going except in hand 3.

Call the turn in hand 3.

And don't put 5 hands in one post.

thesharpie · #5 04-02-2005, 07:20 AM

Alot of these are read dependant, but I'll try anyway.

Hand 1 is fine.
Hand 2 really is read dependant. Will he semi bluff a flush draw here? Absent any reads I think I call down.
Hand 3 did I mention most are read dependant? I don't know what to do here with no read...
Hand 4 terrible river fold. If you want to fold this hand fold the turn, you're not getting the odds to call the turn if you think you're behind.
Hand 5 call it down after he leads the turn. You paid the same amount raising the turn as it would've cost to go to showdown, and you potentially got bluffed/missed the chance to draw out.

BriPlay · #6 04-02-2005, 11:11 AM

in each of these situuations you raise, then fold when led into.
maybe a few occasional raises of such behavior to put these types on notice?
hand 2..if you raise with fl draw/overcard hitting...how can he call or reraise unless you're beat?
eg hand 4..if he reraises a turn raise or even calls...you're beat.
just a suggestion..you do this a few times and THEN if they bet into you you can be pretty sure they are asking to be raised

Brian