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Old 09-26-2005, 09:43 AM
PugX PugX is offline
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Default A classic

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($80.40)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($386)</font>
MP1 ($332.70)
MP2 ($597.90)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($380)</font>
Button ($629.55)
SB ($391)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($42) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $85</font>, Hero calls $55.

Turn: ($212) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $100</font>, Hero ???

Is this an autofold if i dont have reads?

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Old 09-26-2005, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: A classic

I think this is a push w/out reads.
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Old 09-26-2005, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: A classic

I lay this down. Idiotic? Maybe... too Weak/tight, maybe...
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Old 09-26-2005, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: A classic

Mandatory push after his raise on the flop unless you know something that isn't included in the original post.

If your opponents realize (and some, at this level, can) that you can be pushed around with a hand as good as AA with a weak uncoordinated flop like this one, you are in for some tough sledding.

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Old 09-26-2005, 10:15 AM
captZEEbo1 captZEEbo1 is offline
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Default Re: A classic

Why on earth is this an autofold? If you are folding turn, then plz fold flop.
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Old 09-26-2005, 10:32 AM
PugX PugX is offline
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Default Re: A classic

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Mandatory push after his raise on the flop

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Is the push mandatory due to meta-game-aspects (People pushing me around if i dont make a stand) or to + expected value in this particular hand?

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Old 09-26-2005, 10:47 AM
jrforman jrforman is offline
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Default Re: A classic

Put yourself in villains shoes. How often do you check-raise a set on that harmless board? Probably not that often, he most likely has a big jack or maybe a smaller overpair. You're good better than 50% of the time here so get your money in the pot.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:09 PM
rwperu34 rwperu34 is offline
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Default Re: A classic

You are ahead here far more often than behind. The only question is, how to extract the max? With position, I'd flat call the turn then get it all in on the river.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:24 PM
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I think you guys are missing something at 5/10 this is an insta push b/c people are raising here with more than a set and 2/4 NL this is a close fold b/c the rest of players are playing very weak-tight. I call b/c an overpair is likely but its a close decision given the general play at 2/4. I noticed the majority of the posters thus far are 5/10 and higher regulars. The play is drastically different at the two levels. As for metagame of being pushed around there are only a handful of players at 2/4 smart enough to realize that if you can't value bet you need to bluff.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:44 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: A classic

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The play is drastically different at the two levels.

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I agree. Which is why 2/4 hands just won't get the best comments at MHNL. I honestly believe that the SSNL forum can beat 2/4 for a better rate than the MHNL forum. And yes, I think this hand is at least pretty close to a muck. Against some people, it's instamuck on the flop. Against unknown, I probably call flop and fold to further aggression. If he has TP, he usually checks the turn.
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