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Old 11-05-2004, 01:44 PM
aron aron is offline
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Default Pot odds or not?

I was thinking about the flop call. I was thinking that the pot would exceed 11 sb in the end. Which would justify a call? Surprisingly I got to see the river for free.
Is this play plain stupid?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:50 PM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: Pot odds or not?

I'd fold
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: Pot odds or not?

Fold the flop. 5 to 1 is not nearly enough here(need 10 to 1 immediately or about 8 or 9 to 1 with implied odds), and there is the danger of the pot being raised behind you. Remember to (for the most part) stay away from these small small pots with marginal hands, especially when you don't have the odds to draw.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Pot odds or not?

The pot might well exceed 11 sb by the end, but much of it would be yours. You need to look at the odds at the time of each bet, in this case 5/1. Even if you include some inplied odds, you need at leat 9-10/1 to call this gutshot.
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Old 11-05-2004, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: Pot odds or not?

Thanks guys, great help! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-05-2004, 02:12 PM
zephed56 zephed56 is offline
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Default Re: Pot odds or not?

when you estimate implied odds, you only include bets you can get from the other players right? Or is it what the final pot size will be? (this will include some of your bets)
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Old 11-05-2004, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Pot odds or not?

That is true, I never counted some of the final pot as my bets (which probably would be 1-2 BB)
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