(22) make this call?

golfcchs · #1 10-29-2005, 12:58 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t725)
UTG+1 (t695)
MP1 (t1435)
MP2 (t1320)
CO (t1090)
Hero (t715)
SB (t1030)
BB (t990)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 4 folds, Hero raises to t130, SB calls t115, BB calls t100, UTG folds.

Flop: (t420) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

SB all in 900, BB call, Hero call

Turn: (t420) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

River: (t420) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Do you like this call. SB insta pushed and I put him on a under pp like 99 or 77. Did not know about the bb, but felt I hand so much of my stack in I had to call.

rbear · #2 10-29-2005, 01:02 AM

well, I definitely don't think you've pot committed yourself bro, you only have 130 in, which is about 1/5 of your stack... probably don't have solid reads at this stage, but you are getting great odds, and i think that at a 22, you are ahead/win more than 33% of the time.... so I call

pergesu · #3 10-29-2005, 01:02 AM

Yeah at a 22 I'm all about it

golfcchs · #4 10-29-2005, 01:09 AM

What hands do you put the BB on to make this call?

Freudian · #5 10-29-2005, 01:15 AM

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Do you like this call. SB insta pushed and I put him on a under pp like 99 or 77. Did not know about the bb, but felt I hand so much of my stack in I had to call.

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I don't know if I like this call. You have left out the most important factor, a read on the player (and with read I don't mean a guess that he has 99 or 77). There is a huge difference between a solid player calling a 4xBB preflop raise and a donk doing it.

And if I was you I would stop thinking in terms of how much you have invested. Those chips in the middle aren't yours anymore and they shouldn't affect your decision. Thinking in terms like that will only lead to you making calls you shouldn't because you feel the urge to defend "your" chips.

With the information at hand I would lean towards folding, two player all-in on a draw free flop. Someone is bound to have at least two pair.

rbear · #6 10-29-2005, 01:15 AM

well, I think this may sway me to consider folding.
obviously, any 2 pair, set, A10, and on a friday party night, i think 9J calls, and obviously QQ-AA... the latter 3 i think reraise preflop to try to get it to heads up or make any draws pay for the cards
I don't have SNGPT, maybe someone can run it...
looks like you're most likely behind and it's probably a fold

(maybe my range is too small though)

bones · #7 10-29-2005, 01:20 AM

The sb and bb both picked up chips somewhere. It's your job to remember and take into consideration how they did. Freudian is right. Reads make this hand.

One of my (hopefully cured) leaks is getting married to overpairs when it's clear that I'm beat. I'm not sure if this is the case. I probably make this call just because of the massive odds I'm being laid and the fact that my stack will be semi-weak if I fold.

golfcchs · #8 10-29-2005, 01:30 AM

Do you get reads like these while 4 tabling?

bones · #9 10-29-2005, 01:44 AM

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Do you get reads like these while 4 tabling?

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Yes. I'm not good enough to do a bunch of other things while I play poker, so I when I load up a set, I don't have a TV on, no 2+2, limited AIM, no phone calls. Poker is a lot easier when you're paying attention.

And if I couldn't get a feel for how my opponents were playing because I was playing too many tables, I'd play less tables until I could.