Should I have waited to reraise

redsoxsox · #1 03-14-2005, 07:56 PM

I felt someone was on trips and I needed to make my move on the turn, but I was given the chance of a seeing a cheap river card to fold if the board paired. Heres the hand
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) converter

BB ($9)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($28.85)
MP1 ($30.30)
MP2 ($10)
CO ($27.65)
Button ($7.95)
Hero ($15.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.25. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.25, MP2 raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.25, MP1 calls $1.

Turn: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.25, MP2 raises to $3.25, Hero raises to $8, UTG+1 raises to $27.35, MP1 calls $27.10, MP2 calls $5.25 (All-In), Hero calls $6.15 (All-In).

River: ($83.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $83.85

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has 7c Jc (one pair, fives).
MP1 has 6h 6c (full house, sixes full of fives).
MP2 has Ad 9s (two pair, aces and fives).
Hero has 7s 4c (straight, eight high).
Outcome: MP1 wins $83.85.

redsoxsox · #2 03-14-2005, 08:06 PM

Any suggestions or Did I play this fine

tbach24 · #3 03-14-2005, 08:06 PM

Fold pre-flop...fold the turn...get the money in on the river. You have 6 outs on the flop and clubs and a set/2pair have re-draws.

redsoxsox · #4 03-14-2005, 08:09 PM

I was small blind thats why I called there with the aggressive table. Why Do i fold the turn though I had a straight best hand on the board

dtbog · #5 03-14-2005, 08:11 PM

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Why Do i fold the turn though I had a straight best hand on the board

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He meant: fold preflop, fold the flop,... but given that you didn't, push the turn. Obviously you don't have "outs" after the river. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DB

tbach24 · #6 03-14-2005, 08:13 PM

I meant fold the flop and get the money in on the turn. Sorry, fantasy baseball is taking over my mind.

redsoxsox · #7 03-14-2005, 08:16 PM

Drawing to this hand is a bad idea with the flush draw and reraise?
Will u ever chase a straight like this.

dtbog · #8 03-14-2005, 08:16 PM

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but I was given the chance of a seeing a cheap river card to fold if the board paired.

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Unfortunately, this thinking is backwards.

If you make a huge bet on the turn, and your opponent has a set, you've forced him to make a mistake -- calling off his whole stack when he's behind in the hand.

If you keep the pot small on the turn, YOU're making the mistake -- you're allowing him to draw cheaply to one of his 10 outs(though he doesn't know that he's drawing).

The bottom line is that you don't want to see a cheap river card -- you want to get your money in as a huge favorite on the turn. If you lose, you lose... but at least you played the hand correctly. When this hand comes up twice more in the next year, you'll probably win them both.

dtbog · #9 03-14-2005, 08:17 PM

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Drawing to this hand is a bad idea with the flush draw and reraise?

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Change the turn to the 8c in this four-way pot. Do you like your hand?

-DB

jtr · #10 03-14-2005, 09:11 PM

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Why Do i fold the turn though I had a straight best hand on the board

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How surprised would you have been to see 97 in someone's hand? Not saying I'd fold the turn; of course, I'd raise and then push as you did. But you are aware you didn't have the nuts on the turn, right?