Smart or dumb?

catlover · #1 11-02-2005, 02:05 AM

Online No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 ($1404)
MP3 ($300)
CO ($1096.50)
Button ($970)
SB ($1120)
BB ($1011)
UTG ($3003.50)
Hero ($1000)
MP1 ($1145.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $20, 1 fold, MP2 calls $20, MP3 calls $20, CO calls $20, Button calls $20, 1 fold, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($125) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $60, MP2 raises to $120, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, BB folds, Hero pushes

-Skeme- · #2 11-02-2005, 02:15 AM

Insanely stupid.

catlover · #3 11-02-2005, 02:21 AM

Care to elaborate? Why is this good with flush draw but bad with straight draw? How would you play it?

#4 11-02-2005, 02:21 AM

been reading too much super system?

tdarko · #5 11-02-2005, 02:36 AM

if the Q and the 5 were [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] maybe, why are you in a push frenzy?

Garland · #6 11-02-2005, 02:38 AM

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Care to elaborate? Why is this good with flush draw but bad with straight draw? How would you play it?

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Bad with straight draw and bad with flush draw.

Good with straight and flush draw.

You're given good odds to see the turn. Why not just take it? Given what I've seen in your two posts alone, I think you're prone to overaggression.

Garland

edge · #7 11-02-2005, 02:43 AM

You guys are way overreacting. I don't mind it at all. It sets up later hands and gets you action regardless of the outcome, and you have a nut draw if you get called.

fsuplayer · #8 11-02-2005, 03:16 AM

it all depends on villian's minraising standards.

but overall, i dont think its too bad.

Big_Jim · #9 11-02-2005, 04:21 AM

I don't like your flop bet. It gives everybody and their mother odds to call with all sorts of hands, and you're really looking for folds here. Bet more. Any pair or better calls (or raises) that bet, and every flush draw will too, and I doubt you get away that cheap when K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits.

Given your bet... I would seriously consider taking the cheap card that he gave you. Of course... this depends on his min-raising standards, which I assume you don't know, given that you didn't post them.

The problem with this line is that it's a big overbet, which is basically representing a big draw. If I were villian, I would put your most likely hands at J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or some other similar draw, with a set being possible, but not nearly as likely.

Honestly, I only like this line if you can play with villian/other players at the table for a long while, so that the image play actually has a purpose.

If you get called here, just make sure you play your sets like this, and you'll be okay.

Oh yeah.... and raise more PF. =P

Rococo · #10 11-02-2005, 11:18 AM

Metagame stuff aside, this sort of play is very read dependent (which I realize is not very useful advice). Only you know whether you have any fold equity here. If the answer is no, then I don't like it. If he folds 30% of the time, you are in good shape.