Maybe I am slow but..?

stokken · #1 08-31-2005, 03:15 PM

Is there software out there that can see your mucked cards?
Thats like looking trough the discards in a live game, totally unaxceptable

MarkD · #2 08-31-2005, 03:20 PM

If there is than that would be cheating (not to mention one of the most lucrative pieces of software in existence today). I would easily pay 10,000 for that software if I knew it would work for at least one month. You are basically asking if there is software that will enable players to see the deck.

stokken · #3 08-31-2005, 03:25 PM

The reason is that I lost a hand on ps, and a guy pinned my hand and said he found it in hand history, but I was the caller to the bet, and mucked when I lost. All revealing if such exist

MaxPowerPoker · #4 08-31-2005, 03:27 PM

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Is there software out there that can see your mucked cards?
Thats like looking trough the discards in a live game, totally unaxceptable

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Cards that are mucked *at showdown* are written to the hand history files (for Party and Affiliates at least). Party's hand history tool allows you to view this information. There are also a number of HUDs that display cards that are mucked *at showdown*.

No software exists that will allow me to see other people's cards that they muck prior to showdown. I believe the only way someone could have access to that information during the hand would be if they had software running on *your* system that reported to them your mucked cards (or your hole cards for that matter).

MaxPowerPoker · #5 08-31-2005, 03:29 PM

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The reason is that I lost a hand on ps, and a guy pinned my hand and said he found it in hand history, but I was the caller to the bet, and mucked when I lost. All revealing if such exist

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Cards mucked at showdown are written to the hand history file.

YoureToast · #6 08-31-2005, 03:31 PM

Stars allows you to see cards mucked at showdown also. At US casinos, you have the right to see anybody's cards if that person went to showdown. Its not often requested for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that if you win a hand and your opponent doesn't show, you don't want him showing the better hand (if he misread it). The other reason is that people are generally disinclined to ask a loser of a hand to show their cards.

4_2_it · #7 08-31-2005, 03:40 PM

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At US casinos, you have the right to see any body's cards if that person went to showdown. Its not often requested for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that if you win a hand and your opponent doesn't show, you don't want him showing the better hand (if he misread it). The other reason is that people are generally disinclined to ask a loser of a hand to show their cards.

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The only reason you should ever ask to see mucked cards in a casino is if you suspect collusion, which is the intent of the rule which allows for a player in a hand to see mucked cards at showdown. Search the B&M forum for countless threads on this topic.

The on line sites, for whatever reason, have interpreted this rule differently and post mucked cards at showdown in their hand history. I use PA HUD and instantly see what my opponent mucked.

BTW, it's not cheating since the information is available to everyone. At least to anyone willing to make the effort to see it.

YoureToast · #8 08-31-2005, 03:45 PM

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The on line sites, for whatever reason...,

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Perhaps its because collusion is even more of a concern online.