A River Dilemma

Well, I see that there are already two river questions on the board today, but I hope no one will mind one more. Can someone give me a line for this river? And maybe the reasoning behind it?

Also, if you'd like to berate me for not raising the flop, I could probably use some of that too.

CO is unkown, SB is 37/4/0.7, and seems fairly fishy.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP folds, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero??

[shadow29]

uh bet the river? call any raise or c/r.

also raise the flop. many times.

[aargh57]

I know this is a river question but why not raise the flop here. With this board you could get a lot of action. Even if only one player calls the raise you would still get as much as if you call and all 3 call behind you. As far as the river goes, I think you can bet here. I think that there's a pretty good chance that SB has just one or two pair. As he's pretty passive he probably did have a good hand when he bet on the flop like top pair. I think you will be called down with a worse hand more than 50% of the time. If he raises, I think it's an easy fold so you're still only risking one bet to gain one.

[aargh57]

You call a raise here? I guess I was just thinking that this guy's too passive to be bluffing a board this scary.

[shadow29]

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You call a raise here? I guess I was just thinking that this guy's too passive to be bluffing a board this scary.

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oh nm. thought only the flush came in, missed the straight.

yeah, b/f.

[Redd]

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You call a raise here? I guess I was just thinking that this guy's too passive to be bluffing a board this scary.

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He might not think he's bluffing if he has AQ/AJ/AT. I'm willing to call in the big pot on the chance of an aggressive ace that made TP/2p.

[aargh57]

I don't know. A board that looks this bad with someone that just raised you on the turn. I guess getting 13.5 to one I can see it but I doubt you're good often enough. But you may be right, without a real good read maybe a call is in order.

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Also, if you'd like to berate me for not raising the flop, I could probably use some of that too.

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Consider yourself berated.

On the river I'm less concerned about SB, who probably has something like AQ, than I am about CO, who called down two bets on the turn for some reason. If anyone has the soooooted hand, it's probably him, but he may also have been chasing the gutshot with ace-rag.

I'd probably check/call, fold if CO bets and SB check/raises, and kick myself afterwards.

[tyler_cracker]

grunch.

Raise that flop, man! You have the dummy end of the straight on a two-flush board. Don't give cheap cards to aces/kings/spades.

You have to bet this river. I'm calling a raise, even though it sucks. I'm more enthusiastic if SB raises, since i think he just caught two pair. I fold if it's 2 back to me.

[Redd]

Well, given the read on SB we can handread that he's not likely on a flush draw/OESD, except for possibly KQo. IMO this diminishes the chance of him being ahead enough to justify te pot odds we're getting on a call.

If CO raises us, I'm willing to pay off the raise because he's a complete unknown. The chance that he'd play this way with a hand that improved the river but is still losing is good enough to justify our pot odds IMO.