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Old 07-18-2005, 02:26 AM
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Default What is the line here

Where do you call in this position

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2830)
SB (t4430)
Hero (t2930)
UTG (t3310)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A-x:.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t4200</font>, Hero calls t2280 (All-In).
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Old 07-18-2005, 02:46 AM
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Default Re: What is the line here

Hmmmm, I dunno. My read on his propensity to abuse me with his chips/position would have to factor. Looking at the other stacks, laying one down here wouldn't be the worst thing. Pick up a single set of blinds in the next few hands - and you're still in good shape.

With that said.......AK-J? Too tight?
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Old 07-18-2005, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: What is the line here

ICM seems to say that AJ+ is the line of must call against a really loose range, which is what I would presume villain is on. A9/AT is still +EV though but only slightly.

I am just curious if there is a general consesus on what the weakest ace you can call with here.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: What is the line here

[ QUOTE ]
Where do you call in this position

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2830)
SB (t4430)
Hero (t2930)
UTG (t3310)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A-x:.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t4200</font>, Hero calls t2280 (All-In).

[/ QUOTE ]

Well if he seems like he's a good player who understands how to play his stack, he would be pushing a lot of hands here, so I'd probably want A8s. If he seems tighter than that, say pushing only the top 25%, I'd need AJs.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:03 AM
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Wow this is pretty interesting. If you give him T7o face up (which would be a +EV push in a cash game) it is a big -EV push. He needs to have about Q7 to make a break even push should he flip his hand up. If your opponent played perfectly and this were a cash game, you should call with A9+. Since you need to be tighter on the bubble (both pushing and calling since playing a pot ups the EV for the people not involved in the hand) you would give a perfect playing opponent credit for a hand that is worth ~16 SB face up and you would probably need AT to call here (edited).

Brad

Edit - It looks like 77 is the lowest pair you can call here.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:04 AM
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[ QUOTE ]
Button (t2830)
SB (t4430)
Hero (t2930)
UTG (t3310)

Blinds: 100/200

Preflop: Hero is BB with A-x:.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t600</font>, Hero ???

[/ QUOTE ]

I personally find the call, push or fold 'border-line' decisions more difficult to make. What do you think about....

AQ
AJ
AT
A9....
or what about a mid-PP(66-99)?

Edit: Dropped blinds a tad further
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:08 AM
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Default Re: What is the line here

If he is tight I fold all but AQ/AK and TT+ here but if he is bullying I push back with AT+ and 88+.

I'd probably push with 77 but I'd close my eyes.

I think calling in this situation is ridiculous.
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