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09-23-2005, 04:20 PM
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another marginal preflop call...river bluff
So basically, I'm retarded. the flop was 34T, not 45T...ill shut up now and fix it.
56o BB SB here is a VERY overaggressive mid limit regular(probably a winning player but too aggressive preflop and flop). He's decent overall. Button is a huge fish Button folds, SB raises, I call with 56o (a little loose) Flop 34T two spades He bets, I raise, he calls Turn Kd He checks, I bet, he raises, I call River 8h He checks (???), I bet... Anyone else agree with this bluff? I think the rest is standard...just curious as to what you guys think 
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#3
09-23-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: another marginal preflop call...river bluff
i think your preflop call is standard.
your river bet is not a bluff, no one will fold a better hand here. its a value bet (and a decent one imo.) he looks like AQ/AJ/A high spades. note that the king is a good card for him to semibluff with. if he had a decent pair he would have bet. my main concern is that he may have picked up the 8 and checked hoping you would check your tens behind. he also could have a better 5, or 66,77, 99. but in all i think its a nice value bet.
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#4
09-23-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: another marginal preflop call...river bluff
I have to agree that this doesn't look like he's giving up. It looks like he's either going for the sexy, or this is a "I want to showdown no matter what" move.
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#5
09-23-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: another marginal preflop call...river bluff
I check the river, any hand that beats you, he calls. So, this isnt a good bluff. He might pay you off some hands (but more likely he has you beat if he calls), but he also might bluff raise you off the best hand.
-blake
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#9
09-23-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: another marginal preflop call...river bluff
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I assume you believe you have enough FE to make this turn bet profitable against an over-aggressive guy? [/ QUOTE ] thats what i figured...i'd pretty much have to give up on the hand if i checked the turn...does that bet suck>
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#10
09-23-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: another marginal preflop call...river bluff
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[ QUOTE ] I assume you believe you have enough FE to make this turn bet profitable against an over-aggressive guy? [/ QUOTE ] thats what i figured...i'd pretty much have to give up on the hand if i checked the turn...does that bet suck> [/ QUOTE ] No - it depends on how often he folds. You're only winning this hand if you hit your OESD and maybe if you spike a pair. If he's not folding to the turn bet, then it's bad unless it buys you enough fold equity on the river and you're willing to fire again. If there's a decent chance (haven't done the math) that he folds to the turn bet, the bet may be good. But I don't think you give up on the hand by checking the turn -- you're drawing to anywhere from 6 to 14 outs, and you'll hit something often enough, especially if your turn check means he'll always bet into you with no-pair hands. Depending on the opponent, I sometimes take the line you did, and I sometimes check behind on the turn to see the river. River play as you played the hand is really read-dependent for me but I probably give-up and check more often than I bet against a guy as you describe. But getting the odds you are, a bet is totally reasonable with the right read, IMHO.
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