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Old 12-04-2005, 05:29 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default bottom set, this is easy right?

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I'm not sure how whether I should call or fold, I don't have any reads on villain.

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UTG ($34.35)
MP ($164.76)
CO ($95.10)
Button ($35.70)
Hero ($110.40)
BB ($35.02)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($12) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls $10.

Turn: ($32) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $82.10 (All-In), Hero calls ???
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

I think the pot is large enough for a call here. Even if villian has the flush, you still have 10 outs. I think he is still drawing to the flush with the A or the K of hearts, a lot of the time.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

Call.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

Yea, I'm all in.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:58 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

without thinking twice.

probably AK with a heart.

.edit i mean call without thinking.
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:08 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

Doesn't anyone else think he already has the flush made here?

If he had a set (44,JJ), he would have protected the flop better. Plus, he raised preflop.

Possibilities certainly include AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs.....

What makes you think he's still drawing?
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

I probably c/c flop and play from there. As played with the pot odds I think you have to call but I would expect to be beat ~60% of the time.

EDIT: Now I see he raised PF he very well may have AhKx, change above value to ~40%
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

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Call.

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Old 12-04-2005, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

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Possibilities certainly include AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs.....

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Possibilities also include AA, AKo, KQo... and you're crushing all combinations of KJs btw.
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Old 12-05-2005, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: bottom set, this is easy right?

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Doesn't anyone else think he already has the flush made here?

If he had a set (44,JJ), he would have protected the flop better. Plus, he raised preflop.

Possibilities certainly include AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs.....

What makes you think he's still drawing?

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Do you think he might be calling the turn here if he had the flush made? His preflop raise indicates that he has the ace of hearts if he has the flush. At this level I don't think most players would be protecting the nut flush on the turn.
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